To think “like fuck should it be made easier”

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For men to work in refuges.

The Sunday Times are reporting that Women’s Aid are looking at how to make it easier for trans identifying men to work in their refuges. Women who have recently been raped or seriously abused are being put at risk of bein re traumatised in the name of liberal bullshit. Women are being put at risk of not being able to access services because they need female only spaces in the name of being fucking “nice”. Women are being sold down this shitty river, and have no paddle.

t.co/t2RmDdwJyr

‘The exception to the Equalities Act for women-only to work in women’s refuges will remain.’

That could be good - but what does 'women only' actually mean? Under gender recognition, a man who says he identifies as a woman IS a woman. So while her statement means that men who identify as men wont be able to work in women's refuges, it still isn't as clear as it sounds on the subject of trans men.

well who will benefit? in the short term some shouty, pushy men who won't go away. and in the long term? there will be less demand for women's refuges and less of a need to send funding that way. win win!

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4950858/sex-rapist-transgender-jail/

All parties are infected by this madness, e.g.

Maria Miller, Tory MP andFormer Culture secretary

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maria-miller-says-only-hostility-to-transgender-report-came-from-women-purporting-to-be-feminists-a6830406.html

When the Women and Equalities Committee published a report calling for a sea-change in attitudes to transgender people, Maria Miller, the chair of the committee, might have expected to be attacked by right-wingers within her own party.
But, while they were largely silent on the issue, the former Culture secretary said she was taken aback by the “extraordinary” hostility from a minority of women “purporting to be feminists”

< we are feminists, you arsehole. We put WOMEN first, before manipulative, entitled men >

We are used to the idea in Scotland. This woman has been identifying as a competent politician for years

I posted last year saying at my local rape crisis service women only spaces are for self identifying women and employees are self identifying also.

I knew this because I read everything I could when I considered visiting them. I wasn't looking for policies on transwomen in particular - it was before it was such a huge discussion, or perhaps it just wasn't on my radar then. I guess I just needed lots of information before I felt "safe" getting help.

Because it's not only the fear of your husband or partner, it's any man. I think sometimes it only feels safe with other women. And it's not about assessing how real the threat is. The emotional/psychological impact is there regardless of whether a "rapist in disguise" applies for a job. [Excuse the very poor wording].

I have wondered for a while what is happening with Women's Aid and Rape Crisis. It feels they should have been pushed early on to make statements. Perhaps I missed them. Arguments seem to focus on issues where it is very difficult to get support - women prisoners, children (unfortunately arguments always get manipulated to look like there's no compassion).

I don't know what lobbying is going on.... ive always assumed that it's happening but failing to get the right public profile. Maybe ive missed women put forward in the media talking about what women's only spaces mean to them. The public might actually care about that.

I thought the whole point of not allowing men in the refuges was because when a woman leaves an abusive relationship, it is a time when she is at her most vulnerable and is likely to be killed. It makes a mockery of their very existence. These women are incredibly damaged by years of abuse from the partners they love.

No self respecting transwoman would actually do this though. Of that I am convinced. Many transwomen would understand the need for women to have a refuge from violent men. However, even women who are supporters of those in refuges are screened before they come in.

It's all kinds of madness on this. YANBU!

It is absolutely unbelievable that this is being considered. The views of women are being completely ignored and their rights erased.

Men are allowed to work in refuges, I know of one where there was a male worker.

He sexually, emotionally and physically abused the women. He also got arrested for two counts of rape.

He manipulated the other female members of staff and they had no clue what was going on behind closed doors. He manipulated the abused women to the point of despite living under the same roof 24/7 they were all afraid to speak to each other. The children of the women were deeply affected due to the horrific situation they were forced to live in.

Only women should be allowed to work in women’s refuges, period.

This is the history of Women’s Aid

How are we in a situation where a man with autogynephia can be put in a position of acting out his fetish amongst vulnerable women and children.

Should transwomen be nuns for example? Or should transmen become priests?

Ireland has self Id and both the above are excluded.

Just like women can't become a man to inherit.

Yanbu. I've said a million times on here already but i'll say it again. Anyone with a penis, whatever they want to call themselves and 'identify' as will never be a woman. At that, I, a woman, will not be called 'cis'. If that renders me a terf then I'm happy to shine the badge and wear it with pride. This kind of thing fucks me off so much. I don't dislike the trans-community at all. But why does accepting them have to come with chucking common-sense in the bin. Utter madness.

YANBU. You would have thought that transwomen might actually, you know, have some empathy and understanding for women, and realise that a born man does not belong in a safe place for women.

However, it seems that - as always - the few trans-women who want to work in a refuge are only concerned about THEIR 'rights', not anyone else's.

To anyone who thinks that trans identified men won't go to great lengths to access or work in women's spaces please take a look at the Vancouver Rape Relief case. They were tied up in litigation for years.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Nixon_Rape_Relief_Case

Men will destroy everything women have built for themselves over the last 100 years.

Yanbu. World has gone mad.

It's probably already been said but any man who is a 'self identified woman' who wants / needs to work with women and children in refuges is precisely the type of man who should not allowed to be there. Ever!

For me, it's the self ID thing that is a problem.

If a transwoman has gone through the whole process including surgery and hormones, this is very different than " today, I'm a woman and will put on a woman's clothes". These individuals have the potential to be very dangerous.

I also AM a woman, not a cis woman, no thanks.

Nakedscientist there is no requirement for trans identified people to have surgery. 80% of TI people retain the genitalia they were born with

Respectfully nakedscientist I think it's a deeper problem than that.

Yes self ID is the most imminent danger but consider also fully transitioned TIMs like Paris Lees who seek to alter the discourse of how women think from a very male perspective. They have frequently spoke out about how cat calling and objectification are affirming and how sex work can be so empowering.

windows the sad fact is that men couldn’t destroy this without the consent and assistance of women. If every women said “fuck this shit” and ignored them, they wouldn’t gain traction, but women are inviting rapists to speak at the women’s march, women’s aid are undertaking this review when there is no requirement to, women are criticising women like Rose McGowen. I hate the handmaidens even more than the blokes I think.

The biggest difference between men and women is that the latter has the natural instinct to protect and care for others. By having no empathy for women these trans people have failed at the very first hurdle of being a woman.

Interesting video on BBC website this morning on this subject:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42864916/who-or-what-defines-you-as-a-woman

sexnotgender I have filled out the Scottish consultation form. What a great idea the citizen platform is. Do we have anything like it in the rest of the UK do you know?

Ah yes Hermione, the aul' "let's find women to blame for men's destruction".