regeneration or social cleansing?!

[HelenaDove]

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/ex-miners-face-eviction-to-make-way-for-luxury-flats

'Social cleansing' seems a bit dramatic. I'm not sure that anyone in a council-owned property should have it 'for life'. Aren't they supposed to be for those who are in need and can't afford market rent? Don't like paying tax to subsidise this as it's got completely out of hand. Also out of hand - and should never have existed - is the 'right to buy' - if you can afford to buy your council house, then why can't you afford to pay rent elsewhere? (oh yes, because you can't get a cheap house and/or make a massive profit later on at the taxpayers' expense)

But why should home owners have a greater right to the stability of their housing than a tenant?

Because we have these things called "property rights" that underpin our entire society and economy. At least until Corbyn gets in, and then you'll find out what a society without those rights is really like.

Rebecca i saw you post on another thread that you are 8 months pregnant.

Childfree by choice ppl may feel they dont want to subsidize your child.

Are you sure thats the way you want the country to work?

a social housing tenants place will always be in the wrong.

Erm - sorry but the taxpayer won't be subsidising my child, Helena. We're paying for private birth, private school etc etc.

I don't consider anyone a social tenant when they earn above a certain amount, not when there's so many more in need. I am surprised you don't agree with that, TBH.

I knew who started this before I even opened it.

I agree with the others it's a complete non issue. The residents are getting a new flat and more flats will be built to help the horrendous homeless situation in Southend I'm not entirely sure what the issue is here.

Southend is an awful town on a few downturn at the moment any regeneration can only be positive

Rebecca i dont agree with pitting tenants against each other.

I wonder how ill or disabled tenants are going to cope with moving back and forth.

They have suggested a b and b How much will that cost? To repeat what Donkey said Who is going to pay for any storage to tenants belongings that may be needed.

Well, how do home owners cope if they become ill or disabled?

Don't you have any empathy for them?

They cope the same way private sector tenants cope. Ultimately this regeneration will benefit them they just want to whinge about a small bit of inconvenience. If I were genesis I would do a rent/income audit mentioned by a few people earlier in the thread and make sure the new builds go only to those who need them

Yes Rebecca i do Ive found that many other MNers dont though when its someone over a certain age.......then the attitude is "put them in a care home" thats the response i got when i posted that my parents needed a stairlift fitted. Funnily enough these responses came from people who toss the phrase "property ladder" around like tissues. A phrase my parents have never used. They are still in the first house they bought which they saw as a home not an investment.

And my dad is still working at 81

So yes i do care about homeowners But certain MNers empathy for homeowners seems to cease if those homeowners are over 65.

If I were genesis I would do a rent/income audit mentioned by a few people earlier in the thread and make sure the new builds go only to those who need them.

Can you imagine? We'd get another 50 threads on that subject alone!

True but it might make people realise how lucky they are it's not a cheap place to live Southend!

It's cheaper for a council to fund a stairlift than fund a carehome. But to get a DFG you need to have a financial assessment which many elderly won't go through because it will mean they'll have to self fund and they don't like that idea.

This Tory regime refuses to tackle he housing crisis.

Ideology.

Really?

Co-chair is a Tory

My parents are happy to pay for things themselves. You have assumed they have an entitled attitude just because they are older which proves the point ive made above...........that when the homeowner gets over 65 the MN attitude does a complete about face.

My attitude is based on experience of working with the over 65s

So if you're a social housing tenant and your parents leave you their house, should you still have a tenancy for life? Even if you have a house to live in/sell? But if a homeowner had an accident and could no longer work, and couldn't sell the house for any sort of profit, they'd just have to go on the private market?

Sorry - I'm just trying to understand why some people should be given tenancies for life, when most people aren't.

Of course children who aren’t dependant don’t inherit their parents tenancy for life. There used to be the ability to ask for preferential consideration based on need but certainly not for someone with their own place!

Much ado about nothing.

My friend from the dog park was 'socially cleansed' from a sink estate in my neighbourhood and re-homed in a turreted flat in a period building on a terrifically expensive green about 3/4 mile from me.

WTF do you actually want, Helena? You seem determined to find a reason to blame the state for every bad thing that happens to poor people, even when the 'bad thing' isn't bad.

Rebecca if i was left their house i would absolutely give up our 1 bedroom flat for someone who needs it more. But then when ive pointed this out on other threads ive been accused of wanting to "protect my inheritance" and been told my parents home should be sold to pay for their care. So which is it because middle class MN cant have it both ways,

Not really as simple though as im not an only child.

Curry of course making their homes better isnt bad.

Im only asking about the logistics because the reason they are living in social housing in the first place is because they cant afford higher rents or mortgages so how can they afford to pay for b and bs and hotels and storage.

Why would they need to pay for a bnb? Or storage? They are rehoused by the housing association

And housing associations are private companies Curry So nothing to do with the state.

From page 1 where i copied and pasted it there too RTFT.

HelenaDove Wed 31-Jan-18 17:42:32
"Residents of a housing association in Essex have criticised plans that could see their homes demolished.

Genesis Housing Association is considering the future of Alexandra Court in Southend, which could see it torn down and a new block built in its place with double the number of flats.

One woman spoke of her dismay after being told it was her "home for life".

Genesis has assured tenants they would be re-housed at the same rents if demolition was approved.

There are currently 262 flats in the block on Baxter Avenue.

Brenda Philips, who has lived in Alexandra Court for 34 years, told BBC Inside Out East she was worried about the plans.

"When we moved in here we were told this was our home for life, and suddenly it's not our home for life," she said.

She said she was also concerned at being moved out of her home for about 18 months while the new homes are being built.

"They've suggested to some of the residents here that they might move in to bed and breakfast accommodation or hotels, or we could go to Colchester or Chelmsford," she added.

"They've suggested to some of the residents here that they might move in to bed and breakfast accommodation or hotels, or we could go to Colchester or Chelmsford," she added.