So what’s to be done about the mysogynistic bullying infecting the Labour Party?

[JoeyMaynardssolidlump]

Harriet Harmon, massive respect, says the claire situation in Haringsy cannot he brushed under the carpet. I think it already has. Momentum who is controlling labour leadership has a macho bullying mysogynistic cult. How can we get our party back and women on board? Any ideas?

I'm afraid I think the Momentum project has gone too far to be reversed for now; it'll probably take another general election defeat before wiser heads prevail to bring us the proper opposition we so badly need

In the meantime, the spite and rancour washing around the far left means they'll probably be only too glad Claire's gone - she dared to speak against them, which can't be tolerated at any price, and it offers the chance to replace her with another Momentum member

i agree with puzzled, reckon another election loss before labour starts to move back to the centre, if then. Bullies don't give up easily and I see no evidence that Corbyn et al have any respect for the democratic process.

Yes I think you are right puzzled to be fair to her Harriet was trying to be loyal to Jeremy but it was obvious she’s very very worried.

It reminds me of the atmosphere of hate militant tendency enjendered in the 80s.

Very depressing and no holding TM and her shower to account or offering a credible alternative.

I am gutted at the way Labour has gone. If there were a GE anytime soon I would genuinely not know what to do. I do not feel there is actually a properly centrist party that I have any affinity with.

They do not seem to be listening to anyone other than the extreme left/Momentum supporters.

the whole situation is miserable, i don't know how people can think that a team with absolutely no executive experience and 40+ years of protest politics are a credible group to run the country. I hear people talk of Blair and Brown with absolute loathing - the most successful labour team we've had in my lifetime (I'm 40) who massively increased NHS and education spending...

I loathe the tories for what they've done to people on disability related benefits in particular, but an anti-market labour movement with thugs isn't much of an alternative...

Just call me a bitter centrist :)

My local CLP is overrun with Momentum people at the moment. They are a very unpleasant bunch. When I spoke at a meeting against Jeremy Corbyn they were very aggressive towards me.

I have been telling people for ages that they are a bad bunch, and I'm now glad more people are seeing it.

To be honest, I'm not sure much can be done about it. I feel like Labour has been taken over. I think at this point only a party split would sort this out (though it would keep Labour out of power.)

Just call me a bitter centrist

I'll join you in that if I may. As someone who loathes extremism in all its forms, what I really want is a choice of moderate parties. Whether centre left or centre right doesn't matter to me, as long as they're based on pragmatism and reality instead of overblown political dogma

yours isn't the only one tol, a family member has been a pre-Corbyn long term labour door knocker etc, and their local labour group selected as their next parliamentary candidate a person my family member has had several run ins with and they know first hand is a bully - he bullies both men and women though - he's an equal opportunities thug.

Won't name any names for fear of repercussions/outing but I see few good signs these days.

Labour needs to split from Momentum. Its the only solution as the two parties are not compatible.

totally agree puzzled - i hate the nationalists too for that very reason - both the brexiteers and the SNP, they're all selling grandiose hopes to the desperate with no economic competence behind them.

Tolpuddle it was even worse than that round here before the last election, when they actually sent some of the Momentum members out doorknocking. I told one of them - perfectly politely - that while I've voted Labour in the past I wouldn't feel able to do so with JC as leader, and got a mouthful of abuse for my trouble

Quite how they think this is likely to win voters over is a mystery, but there you go

NorthernLightsAlways, you have just effectively written a post for me. And I suspect a good few others too.

It’s as though you have to be either far right or hard left to have anyone to vote for anymore.

I read the anti Momentum/Haringay article in yesterday’s Evening Standard. I have to say I think Labour are finished. momentum will kill them off. I quite liked Corbyn when he first rose to prominence but I don’t understand why he lets this continue? Because they love him so much? Is he that much of a narc? I initially thought he was a principled man but now he just seems determined to hang onto the leadership whatever the cost.

As a life long Labour voter, I'm heartbroken by the events of the last two or three years. Because I care passionately about the future of the NHS and reversing the inhuman effects of austerity, I see no alternative when it comes to voting but the party I love has been completely hijacked by these bastards.

i changed my position on PR in the last few years - I do feel there are a lot of lib dem/centre right and centre left voters that are left with hobson's choice and really we need PR so that we can have a nice centrist coalition to start sensibly unpicking the recent messes.

In my head, Paul Johnson of the IFS decides to go into politics and leads this :)

I'm surprised labour hasn't split already, perhaps the fact Corbyn didn't do quite as badly as expected has kept the moderates hanging on.

I can't see the current labour leaders have got much more to offer though to win votes - I can't see Corbyn's vote going up, because the last manifesto was an unaffordable give-away, so what more can they promise?

I'm surprised labour hasn't split already, perhaps the fact Corbyn didn't do quite as badly as expected has kept the moderates hanging on

So am I - in fact in some ways it seems a pity they weren't completely thrashed, in that it might have brought about the changes needed

yes, I gave up my membership after the election, and explained exactly why. I gave up hope that Corbyn would step down as it was obvious he was delighted with his failure to win a majority...

in retrospect, if someone offered to give me £35k instead of having to take out loans, I'd have had a fight with my conscience about voting for them - there's nothing particularly new about irresponsibly offering cash incentives to parts of the electorate.

As it is, I reckon if we had a re-run of the GE soon, we'd get the same result, sadly.

So so agree with all the above.

It’s desperately sad to see labour tearing themselves apart yet again. Unfortunately the kids that voted for them don’t remember the Thatcher years and how awful it is without a strong credible opposition.

I have no party. Tories never, Lib Dem’s and green are too trans rights for me at the risk of women’s rights. What to do?

Labour did not split because it did unexpectedly well in the election, which was widely attributed to the appeal of JC. Unless there is another election and Labour do very badly , I can't see the party splitting. I think lots of people will vote for them because the Conservatives are doing such a terrible job. I think the full implications of momentum effecting a coup in the Labour Party will only become apparent to the vast majority of people once they get into power. Personally, I suspect they will be just as terrible as the Conservatives, just in a different way.

Why am i called a bot and you guys put this stuff up all the time?

Tory policy, policy in place right now, is aimed right at poor and sick women. Misogony is embeded in Tory ideology.

The whole 'Corbyn motivated the young' was a myth.

The young are getting steamrolled by this current regime.

as I said to my DN when she made this point to me make, perhaps as a former moderate labour supporter I hoped for better from labour.

I don't understand why when labour gets any criticism the response is 'the tories are worse/evil/murderers/insert unsubstantiated hyperbole of choice' rather than perhaps the labour policies and management could be better thought out, more intelligent?

I don't understand why when labour gets any criticism the response is 'the tories are worse ... "

Perhaps because some of the extreme left's behaviour is so indefensible that it's the only reply left?

If comrades come under fire and you're unable to make a coherent case for what they're doing, attempted deflection must be pretty tempting (which of course applies to the extreme right too)

yes, agree - the tories ran a bad campaign focusing on Corbyn because the people like my parents' generation that remember comrade Corbyn from the 1980s were never going to vote for him anyway.

I'd say both sides need to get better at persuading people that aren't voting for them but in all honesty I hope neither party wins! Although I say that, if the tories were further from the post, we'd have ended up with an SNP-lab coalition and the SNP would've pushed through a second indyref and then we'd have #Brexshit and ##Scref2xshit

And this is why I don't think about politics anymore - must stop the lapse!