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to think that Kate Winslet is a phoney hypocrite?

156 replies

southeastdweller · 29/01/2018 21:45

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42824594

As far as I know she worked with child rapist Polanski willingly. I don't think Woody Allen pulled a gun to her head to do her latest film.

And the same for Hayley Atwell, Colin Firth etc. Why speak up NOW? They all knew of the Allen allegations when they worked for him.

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southeastdweller · 30/01/2018 12:04

Whiskey What you don’t mention about Salma Hayek is that at that time when she was starting her passion project - Frida - she was very low on the Hollywood ladder. I’m not saying I agree with her decision to continue to work with HW, but the situation with Hollywood A-lister Winslet and her choice to work with RP is very different.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 30/01/2018 12:04

People always cared that RP drugged and sodimised a 13 year old girl

That is why he left the states he feared a long sentence.

Many may have been willing to believe a thirteen year old girl could consent to sex with an older man but to go that far they knew this was different

He has been very vocal about his liking for young girls and claims all men are the same as him

PoorYorick · 30/01/2018 12:24

There are very, very, very few people, even at the top of the Hollywood ladder, who are so powerful that they really can pick and choose as they like, their entire careers. Women have the added disadvantage that they're not allowed to age, so they're mostly dispensable. There are very few actresses, however fine their talent and vintage, whom Hollywood cannot steamroll with a young, pretty and malleable starlet.

Even 'older' parts can be taken by younger women because 40 year olds are crones in that world.

Queenoftheblitz · 30/01/2018 12:35

It's great that a listers stand up, even kw. But I'm just saying I question her motives, considering her work with RP.
I'd like to see leo, brad and tom do the same.

PoorYorick · 30/01/2018 12:43

Women are conditioned not even to recognise abuse, let alone risk their careers and professional reputations over it. I was felt up on buses and trains for years before I realised it was sexual assault and each and every one of those bastards deserved to go to prison for it. It was generally talked about as something that, while it shouldn't really be happening, was not THAT big a deal and I would be by far the worse person if I had reported it to the police or even, God forbid, got a conviction for one of them.

I didn't do cool things like hold up a hand and shout, "Has anyone lost this, I just found it on my arse?" and so on. I shuffled away, said nothing, possibly mentioned it to people who might have minimised it, certainly I never started screaming in the middle of the train about it. It's only now, years later, that I realise just how utterly awful it was...and how normalised.

But according to some posters on here, I am to blame and I'm just claiming passive flower status because I, like so many other women, was just so conditioned to think it wasn't that big a deal.

Society and structural imbalance of power are why these things keep happening, and people who are determined to blame Kate Winslet because powerful men kept assaulting women in a male-controlled industry are a massive part of the problem.

They should ask themselves why they are so uneasy with just putting the blame squarely on the male abusers, and why they are giving a free pass to all the male actors who also didn't speak up.

We know the answer, of course, but I'd like to see how they try to square it to themselves.

Lottapianos · 30/01/2018 12:53

'It's only now, years later, that I realise just how utterly awful it was...and how normalised.'

It's so true Yorick. And the minimising and normalising is still going on now. Anything short of actual rape gets dismissed and excused by so many people, both men and women. Complain about sexual assault or harassment and you will be accused of insulting 'real victims', and what did you expect to happen anyway because you did xyz. It's exhausting. I do worry that #MeToo will not be the change that it could be. The normalising is just too ingrained in our culture. I hope I'm wrong

CoolCarrie · 30/01/2018 13:06

The majority of actors and actresses in Hollywood knew what HW was like, and to say that they didn’t know proves they are hypocrites of the first order. Their careers will always come first. Most of them are ego driven, greedy and self absorbed.
As I read somewhere “ if I knew about hw, and I live on the isle of Skye, how the hell can Hollywood actors and actresses say they didn’t know” Meryl Streep in particular makes me want to scream She is a wealthy powerful woman, (with a daughter who is an actress )in a male dominated business, with 3 Oscars under her belt, she should have called hw out, instead of calling him god! The power to make a stand ,and put her head over the parapet, was within her grasp on that occasion, so instead of all the coverage of the mix up over best film, the papers would have been full of her making a stand, and would have given his victims the confidence to take him on.

When we had the very entertaining gossip thread on here hw was alluded to many times, as was LDC, for their vile behaviour towards women, over years.
RP has always had a taste for young women, like at the film Tess, look at his present wife. He is a great director, but a vile human.
WA is a creepy self obsessed man,and I can quite believe Dylan about his behaviour. I only hope his children with his stepchild/ wife are safe from him.

CoolCarrie · 30/01/2018 13:09

And this isn’t blaming women, it is pointing the finger at those actors and actresses who could have made a stand long before now, without fear or favour!

PoorYorick · 30/01/2018 13:10

Meryl Streep in particular makes me want to scream She is a wealthy powerful woman, (with a daughter who is an actress )in a male dominated business, with 3 Oscars under her belt, she should have called hw out, instead of calling him god!

Or how about: Harvey Weinstein should not have fucking assaulted women over and over and over again, and let the sentence stop right there with no further qualifiers????

Excuse me while I go and FUCKING SCREAM.

PoorYorick · 30/01/2018 13:11

And this isn’t blaming women

YES IT FUCKING IS!

StickThatInYourPipe · 30/01/2018 13:12

Has Woody Allen been convicted and charged of something? I haven’t heard this!

TheNavigator · 30/01/2018 13:17

Mumsnet favourite Emma Thomson signed a petition in support of child rapist Polanski. I think we can judge anyone who publically defends a child rapist, male or female.

Lottapianos · 30/01/2018 13:17

'And this isn’t blaming women'

No, it really really is! There's no getting away from that

Lottapianos · 30/01/2018 13:18

'Mumsnet favourite Emma Thomson signed a petition in support of child rapist Polanski'

She later asked for her name to be removed but yes, I take your point. No idea what she was thinking of. Very surprised at her for this

southeastdweller · 30/01/2018 13:25

Do I blame KW for willingly working with a self-confessed child rapist? Damn right I fucking well do.

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implantsandaDyson · 30/01/2018 13:38

Kate Winslet, Christoph Walz, John C.Reilly, Jodie Foster all chose to work, be directed by, listen to instructions, pass the time of day with Roman Polanski 7/8 years ago. I hold all of them equally in the same disregard and do I blame Kate Winslet and Jodie Foster for making a disgusting choice to further their careers? - yes.

PoorYorick · 30/01/2018 14:03

Do I blame KW for willingly working with a self-confessed child rapist? Damn right I fucking well do.

Yes, we've ascertained that you, and others on here, blame women for male sex criminals.

southeastdweller · 30/01/2018 14:08

That isn’t what I’m saying so please don’t try and twist my words.

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PoorYorick · 30/01/2018 14:14

It is exactly what you are saying, especially when you create a thread to blame Kate Winslet for male sexual predators.

If you are uncomfortable with people realising that is what you are saying, perhaps you should reconsider your stance.

Pidlan · 30/01/2018 14:18

Agree with Yorick on this. Also, having rtft, I can't help but despair at the "she was always annoying" and "I never did like her" comments because you very very rarely hear this about males. There are scores of male actors who decided to work for Polanski and Allen knowing what they did, but for some reason, the women are the ones that get punished for doing it. Was it a good call to work for those people? No. Is Kate Winslet the person you should be focusing your vitriol on in this situation? NO.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 30/01/2018 14:22

No one is blaming women for the abusive behaviour of men, so don't make stuff up. We are blaming certain women and men for not giving a shit and choosing to work to work with child rapists anyway.

No one has to work with RP.

20Large · 30/01/2018 14:23

They're all hypocrites and I honestly think they're cashing in on outrage. Oprah! Why wait until now to 'speak out'?

Natalie Portman annoyed me too. Not as bad as sexual assault etc but her little "all-male" jibe for the Best Director nominations at the Golden Globes was hypocritical in the extreme. She has her own production company. They've made a significant number of films. Guess how many female directors ...

southeastdweller · 30/01/2018 14:26

I’m not uncomfortable in the slightest for expressing my opinion that KW deserves scorn for actively supporting a child rapist and doing a very quick u-turn about her feelings about working for WA.

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Oblomov18 · 30/01/2018 14:26

I couldn't believe what she was saying. So fake. Utterly unbelievable. ShockShockShock
So shocked. The tripe and rubbish coming out of her mouth was staggering.
So..... she's suddenly woken up a few days ago? And had an enlightenment? An epiphany?

Oh purlease. She insults us. Our intelligence. We aren't that stupid.

She so dim. Ruthless. Now apologising, for what exactly?

PoorYorick · 30/01/2018 14:36

Tons of people have been blaming women for male sexual predators on here, either overtly or by misdirecting their focus.

Ignorance, which may be wilful or not, through failing to understand the concept of structural power in an industry that is controlled by about five old white men.

That women are controlled when the inherent power imbalance in the industry puts their careers and reputations at risk if they don't submit.

That women are controlled when they are conditioned to think it is not that serious - in part because, when it does blow up, so many people will continue to BLAME WOMEN through the very ignorance and misdirection and occasional overt bigotry as seen on this turd of a thread. I love how one or two of them will quickly add 'and actors' as an afterthought on a later post once they realise that, for reasons they obviously don't want to explore, they've been focusing on actresses only.

And then, having been conditioned to normalise it and accept it, women are still to blame for not 'speaking up enough' when it finally goes to shit.

Revolting that so many people are not prepared to say "Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski and co are sickening individuals who are 100% responsible for their crimes and creation of an inherently male-controlled industry that squashes women into their place" with no further qualifiers.

The lengths people will go to to pretzel themselves into defending this sickening status quo while insisting that they're not is vile. We have so, so far to go.

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