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to think that Kate Winslet is a phoney hypocrite?

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southeastdweller · 29/01/2018 21:45

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42824594

As far as I know she worked with child rapist Polanski willingly. I don't think Woody Allen pulled a gun to her head to do her latest film.

And the same for Hayley Atwell, Colin Firth etc. Why speak up NOW? They all knew of the Allen allegations when they worked for him.

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OracleOfDelphinium · 29/01/2018 22:34

Kate Winslet pissed me off immensely long before anything to do with #metoo. Can't bear her, full stop.

gnushoes · 29/01/2018 22:35

As I understand it, people had occasionally spoken up about this stuff before the Weinstein allegations were finally believed - but when there was no groundswell of support and nobody listened - well, what do they do then? Get on with it I guess. It's not like there's any great job security in that industry.
I don't see why it's any worse for a woman to do that than a man and it feels to me like yet more sexism that this is what's happening.

PoorYorick · 29/01/2018 22:36

Who's blaming women?

Everyone who's demanding to know why women didn't overthrow an industry that's been controlled by about five old white men since forever, and not why men have been acting so FUCKING SHITTILY towards women in this industry, when their careers were in said men's hands, for so long.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 29/01/2018 22:42

No one is saying they could have overthrown the industy, not easily at any rate. But they could have chosen not to work with child abusers. I would honestly rather have no career than work with Roman Polanski. But actually KW's career was pretty well established so she is in a better position than most to choose who she takes jobs from.
Some of the women now lending their support to me too, did have influence and gravitas in the industry and their voices would have been listened to. Even if they didn't feel able to put their heads above the parapet, they could have not openly praised and supported men like Allen and Polanski.

Queenoftheblitz · 29/01/2018 22:43

Well i don't lay that blame at women. Winslet could have made the decision not to work with Polanski. She didnt have to broadcast her reasons.
And lets not forget whoopie goldbergs "it wasnt rape rape" about Polanski.
Beggers belief.

HoppyHannah · 29/01/2018 22:43

I would hazard a guess that misogyny and exploitation is not confined to the movie industry either. More to come out I'd say in the corporate and other worlds too.

Plantlover · 29/01/2018 22:45

Has anyone else seen Diane Keaton's tweet defending woody Allen that she posted today?!

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 29/01/2018 22:46

Whoopi Goldberg said that? Fuck me, is there anyone left whose films I can watch without wanting to puke

libbylousmum · 29/01/2018 22:46

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windchimesabotage · 29/01/2018 22:50

Polanski IS widely considered to be a genius and its only now that people are baking away from him even though everyone has known about the rape for a long time. Its only now this movement is popular that people have the confidence to back away from working with these people.
Im sure if you were an actress who cared deeply about their work and film making then you would want to work with someone who was widely considered to be one of the greats. And im willing to bet that he is one of many many male directors who have rumours or accusations of sexual abuse circulating about them. So how do you choose which ones to work with if the public havent yet made up their minds which ones are truly rapists yet?
Im just saying that from her side at the time it could have been pretty confusing and not easy to make the right choice.

Queenoftheblitz · 29/01/2018 22:52

The woody allen thing - i do believe dylan. However he wasnt found guilty and he denied it. So i can see certain people wanting to believe him.
Polanski admitted it, was found guilty and fled the US. What did he have to do to deter actors from working with him? Murder someone?

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 29/01/2018 22:53

Not buying it windchimes. I truly don't care how much of a genius he is - a decent person wouldn't give social acceptability (which working with him does) to a child rapist.

PoorYorick · 29/01/2018 22:53

Some of the women now lending their support to me too, did have influence and gravitas in the industry and their voices would have been listened to. Even if they didn't feel able to put their heads above the parapet, they could have not openly praised and supported men like Allen and Polanski.

So it's the women's fault. Glad we cleared that up.

petbear · 29/01/2018 22:53

I have mixed feelings about KW. She has always seemed fairly pleasant and quite OK, and has made some good films, (along with some crap ones,) but there is just something about her that is so irksome.

She has blathered on and on sooooo much in the past about people at school mocking her and saying she was too fat and plain to make it, and she always says 'look at me now, with my amazing life! And look at YOU, doing nothing.' I know she is right, but it's incredibly arrogant.

Also, her gushing over Leo DiCaprio made me wanna vom when she picked up her golden globe about 9 years ago. She went on and on about how much she LOVES him, and how much she ADORES him.. blah blah blah. And said fuck-all about her husband Sam.

Unsurprisingly, her and 'Sam' split shortly after. Probably couldn't tolerate her obsession with the lovely LEO, her 'friend.' Hmm

I know people are entitled to have close friendships with members of the opposite sex, but hers and Leo's is very intense. I think she is more into him than he is into her though. He is very fond of her, but she is obsessed with him.

But yeah, re the OP. YANBU. I do agree somewhat.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 29/01/2018 22:54

Their actions and choices are their fault, yes.

category12 · 29/01/2018 22:55

Plying a 13 yr old with drugs and alcohol, raping her anally and accepting his guilt taking a plea bargain, then fleeing the country.. Hmm, struggling to see what's confusing.

windchimesabotage · 29/01/2018 22:55

Iwannaseehowitends I just think thats easy for us to say when we dont work in that industry and our careers dont depend on it and also with the benefit of hindsight and the #metoo movement. I think the OP is expecting an awful lot from one woman when it clearly takes an entire movement to actually even bring attention to these things.

PoorYorick · 29/01/2018 22:57

Their actions and choices are their fault, yes.

Yes, as you said before - men assault women, and women are to blame for not 'stopping' it. I don't mind you repeating it even more concisely, it might show at least a couple of other people how deeply rooted this problem is.

Spadequeen · 29/01/2018 22:57

Yanbu. She’s always been a hypocrite

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southeastdweller · 29/01/2018 22:58

And im willing to bet that he is one of many many male directors who have rumours or accusations of sexual abuse circulating about them

And how many of them are self-confessed child rapists like Polanski? Not many.

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IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 29/01/2018 23:00

Windchimes, it really is easy for me to say that I would not wotk woth a child rapist or applaud one at sn awards ceremony.
To be clear, I don't condemn kw or ms alone for their choices, but every person who agreed to work with RP. What he did wasn't unsubstantiated rumour.

windchimesabotage · 29/01/2018 23:01

category12 whats confusing is that this is a pretty common occurance in that industry and these men were still praised and supported. How was Kate Winslet supposed to be the hero that stood up and said 'Hang on a sec?' no one would have cared and her career would have been seriously damaged. And thats even if at the time she believed hed done anything wrong. She probably had teams of people telling her it was fine and all exaggerated. Christ Polanski shagged loads of underaged girls if you actually read about him, and a few of them are saying that they wanted him to and it was a relationship. This was the 70s and that is genuinely how many people thought about things. And even though Kate Winslet worked with him long after that you can see how these ideas would have been pedalled as the reality.

Kate has obviously now realised things about this that were not clear to her at the time. I think thats pretty understandable actually and I dont understand the vitriol against her or any other women who 'didnt speak up at the time' The only thing that does is deter other women from speaking up.

Queenoftheblitz · 29/01/2018 23:02

I think we need to stop seeing the film industry as a world apart.
If i was offered a job in my field (media) with a convicted rapist i would say no.
I would hope most people would.

Hotdoggity · 29/01/2018 23:02

Once again, the onus of responsibility falls to the woman.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 29/01/2018 23:04

Yorick, I'd apprciate it if you were accurate. I blame people for choosing to work with RP and for supporting him, knowing what he was. And for the utter hypocrisy of lending their voices to 'me too' having actively chosen to support these abusers when it benefitted their careers.

They are dumping the Polanskis of this world now, not because they give a shit about abuse but because it will damage them if they don't.