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Not to want to give ex this money ?

73 replies

Bumbelinadance · 27/01/2018 21:11

I appreciate I may have done better to post this on relationships or the legal board , but posting for traffic .
Sorry for mine of information but I don’t want to drip feed .

4 year relationship . Very in love with him . Both divorced with D.C. . Spent holidays and weekends as a blended family . I loved his kids and they me .
Split January 2017 , my choice , as relationship became a roller coaster with ex dp continually changing his mind about future plans, not emotionally or practically supportive to me but expecting it from me .
It was done by me with a heavy heart .
I really tried but it was a one way street . Left me alone with miscarriage , when I suffered severe injuries in a car crash—- really seemed to have an empathy gene missing at times .

In his defence it was a difficult situation , him travelling constantly for work , me often accompanying him ( at his expense ) and my mum caring for my Ds and my neglecting my business .
His D.C. living in one country and Ds and I in another .
Plan was for Ds and I to relocate to where they were and set up home together . Viewed houses and schools together but they live in a very remote location with his ex wife in next street .
I wanted to live further towards the city maybe half an hour away tops so Ds and I could have a life and I could work in my profession but be near enough his D.C. could be with us when he wasn’t travelling for work .

His exw and he are extremely acrimonious. She was , I accept very hurt by him leaving her , but it was over a year before he met me .
Whenever I visited she was awful to me , going so far as to accuse me of sexually grooming their children to the school and local services .
His response was “ she is mental, ignore her “ but it really distressed the children . This was all “ swept under the carpet “ but his lack of support hurt me .

When we split in January 2017 I began dating somebody straight away . Was honest with ex about this . It was very much a rebound thing , was still in love with him .
He kept Ds and I on his company hr for travel and medical . Was still on my water bill and shared a bank account .
We talked regularly and said we would remain lifelong Freinds
I stayed in touch with his children on scype etc

My Ds father and ds have no relationship / contact ( a whole new thread ) as per a court order based on abuse issues .
However he is a high earner and is court ordered to pay maintenaince .
He stopped paying and broke the court order September 2016 .
This is an ongoing stressful , complicated battle through courts .. still ongoing

Ex dp did a kind thing ( at the time ) and lent me 15k to help me in march 2017
We drew up a loan agreement signed by 2 Freinds .
My intention was to repay him

In April 2017 I ended it with the guy I had been dating , went back to my ex dp . He wanted to make a go of it , was sorry for not being there for me etc etc .
We were good I thought . Things went back to normal , he loved me etc and was sorry for commitment phobia and past mistakes .

In June 2017 I was suddenly one night opening the door to the police .... arrested and charged with criminal allegations his ex wife put against me
I was arrested , put in a cell , felt degraded beyond words
I was released on bail
I became terrified , fell apart , had anxiety I can’t begin to describe . I was terrified of prison and terrified for Ds .
I rang then dp when I was released . He said the reunion had been a mistake and I was “mental “

From June 2017 til December 2017 when the charges against me were finally dropped my ex would hardly speak to me
When I did speak with him he told me he was moving on, didn’t want to be involved , was dating others , that lots of people had criminal records and it wasn’t his problem . I have never had a drink problem but I drank heavily through this time .
He told me if I didn’t stop contacting and “ guilt tripping him “ he would block me . He did block me — phone and email .

I was shown such incredible loyalty and support by my Freinds and family . I earn too much to qualify for legal aid . They lent me money for a top drawer barrister . I must and will repay them .

I am struggling still with my feelings
I still mad as it sounds feel love and loss over him .
I don’t want to be together but I want to be Freinds and I want to know I qualify for an apology for what I went through

I sent a letter to his ex forgiving her and making peace
I sent to one to him

His response is to send me threatening emails demanding I repay the loan ,
Am I obliged to given the legal costs I had to borrow ( it nearly matched the loan )

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CommonGrounds · 27/01/2018 21:16

From June 2017 til December 2017 when the charges against me were finally dropped my ex would hardly speak to me

had you been arrested and charged with sexually abusing his children?

I am confused?

PeppaPigTastesLikeBacon · 27/01/2018 21:22

i don’t see that his ex getting you arrested would stop you having to pay back the loan. You have a contract signed by witnesses to say you’ll pay it back so I don’t think you would win if you tried to fight it

Dottie39 · 27/01/2018 21:26

The loan is separate to everything else that happened so I think you will have to pay.
Were you accused of hurting his children? Is it possible he behaved how he did as he thought he was protecting them from you? If he believed the accusations of thought there was even a chance they could be true then his behaviour is not unreasonable. Either way, yes you should pay back the loan.

WineIsTheAnswer · 27/01/2018 21:28

The loan is still enforceable. His ex getting you arrested has no bearing on the loan.

I would offer a small amount weekly/monthly to show willing to repay. This would hopefully stop the threatening letters. Then I would do what he has done in the past, block communication.

Mouikey · 27/01/2018 21:29

Ex dp did a kind thing ( at the time ) and lent me 15k to help me in march 2017
We drew up a loan agreement signed by 2 Freinds . My intention was to repay him

Everything else is irrelevant. If you have a loan agreement you need to abide by it and repay in accordance with the terms. The fact that things went terribly wrong doesn’t have any bearing on the fact that you signed this.

OnionKnight · 27/01/2018 21:31

You need to pay it back, don't be a dick.

Viviennemary · 27/01/2018 21:31

This is very confusing. Could you give a summary of this in a paragraph or two. If you owe the money then you need to pay it back. If you don't owe it or if he owes you expenses as well then don't pay it back.

bridgetoc · 27/01/2018 21:35

Pay back the money that you borrowed....... It sounds like you have had a difficult though, and I wish you good luck for the future.

QuiteLikely5 · 27/01/2018 21:35

So he believed that you were guilty of the charge against you?

RitaConnors · 27/01/2018 21:36

Why do you think you shouldn’t pay him the money back?

Because his ex had you arrested and your legal costs were of a similar amount?

Aridane · 27/01/2018 21:36

That all sounds awful.

RebelRogue · 27/01/2018 21:37

You have to give back the money. It was a loan not a gift, and you signed a document stating that.Everything else as awful and devastating as it was is irrelevant.

AnneLovesGilbert · 27/01/2018 21:38

It’s not his fault his ex had you arrested so the loan still stands and you have to pay it back.

Why would you want to be friends with him?

The whole thing is incredibly confusing from the outside.

Valerrie · 27/01/2018 21:39

Why were you arrested?

If it was because of his ex and him being crazy and it cost you almost the amount of the loan, I wouldn't pay it back.

Bumbelinadance · 27/01/2018 21:40

Gosh yes I understand that was misleading
No I wasn’t charged with sexually grooming the children
It was fraud actually
Linked to his business dabbling

He knows full well I wouldn’t hurt a child
He didn’t think or believe that .
Sorry I didn’t make this clear

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Bluedoglead · 27/01/2018 21:41

You have to repay the loan don’t be a dick.

Bumbelinadance · 27/01/2018 21:41

I feel he should have supported me over this

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BulletFox · 27/01/2018 21:43

As hard as it is, you need to distance yourself.

What does the loan contract state in terms of repayment?

SmokingGun · 27/01/2018 21:44

I’m really confused; just to clarify, your ex partners ex wife (mother to his kids) had you arrested? And it was nothing to do with your ex? Why do you think you shouldn’t have to pay him back? Because he no longer wants your friendship?

Idontdowindows · 27/01/2018 21:48

But he never supported you before, other than with a loan, so why would he suddenly start caring?

Bumbelinadance · 27/01/2018 21:49

Bulletfox

It says I will repay him in full or give him a share in my house
I have offered to repay £ 100 a month
I can’t afford to do more as repaying legal costs to family

It’s his coldness at what he put me through that hurts
I loved him
Trusted him

I am so hurt by it all

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Brahumbug · 27/01/2018 21:49

Of course you should pay the money back. Whether you think he should have supported you or not is irrelevant. You borrowed the money, pay your debt.

Haffdonga · 27/01/2018 21:51

You took the money with a legal agreement and full understanding you would pay it back. Everything else is not relevant.

Of course you have to pay it back. Don't be a dick.

BulletFox · 27/01/2018 21:52

Sorry, I know you're hurting.

It sounds like he's extremely unreliable though and he'll only mess up your head.

Was he not furious at his ex about the fraud allegations?

I'd start paying him back the loan but try to have a better life without him and regain your sense of self, good luck

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/01/2018 21:56

His ex is a nasty piece of work and he is an absolute arsenole. I understand your anger and desire not to repay him. But you must you agreed to the loan. Is there any way you can counter sue either of them for your legal costs.