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AIBU to ask for the repayment of this loan?

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Smudge100 · 22/01/2018 18:37

My niece decided a couple of years ago to retrain in a new profession – she is 38 and married with one child – and was going to take out a hefty commercial loan to pay for living expenses and tuition fees etc. I offered to loan her the money instead on a no interest basis, so that she wasn’t tied up in interest repayments as well as the repayment of the loan itself. I have no children of my own and can afford it and it was in fact my original intention to gift her the money, on the basis that she would inherit from me at some stage anyway. She expressed suitable gratitude at the time.

At Christmas we all gathered at her mother’s, my sister’s. I hadn’t seen her since last year and was looking forward to seeing her. However, from the look on her face when I greeted her, it was clear that my sentiments were not reciprocated. At one stage, she and I found ourselves alone in sitting room. I asked her a few questions about how the course was going and how she was etc.etc. perfectly normal conversation. She gave absolutely minimal answers and didn’t ask me anything about myself at all. At one point, unable to suppress the ennui she felt in my company, she sighed audibly. She later posted on FB a picture of a woman looking fresh and alert with the caption: ‘arriving for Christmas’. Next to it was a picture of the same woman, looking haggard and clutching the steering wheel of her car with the caption: ‘Three days later – I need a drink!’ I think it sums up her feelings about being around her mother, stepfather and myself. Obviously she can post whatever she likes on her own FB page but she knew that I would see it.

The course is ending later in the year and I believe she is fairly confident of securing employment in her chosen field (despite it requiring a degree of physical agility and her being seriously obese). As I say, it was my original intention to write off the debt, but as she has made her feelings towards me so abundantly clear, I am now disinclined to do so. I am also considering changing my will. There are plenty of charities that i support that would be grateful for my money and I would rather see them benefit than this entitled young woman. What would you do in my position? Am I over-reacting? All opinions welcome!

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LIZS · 22/01/2018 19:46

Are you sure she is even continuing on the course? Could she be embarrassed that it is not going as well as hoped. You could ask for it back but not sure how she could achieve that if she hasn't be working for the past 3 years. Could she not have got a student loan instead?

FrancisCrawford · 22/01/2018 19:47

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sonjadog · 22/01/2018 19:49

I think you should write off the money as planned. You don't actually know if the facebook status is about you - it could be about either or both of her parents. She might find the whole "being the child" scenario at her parents´ house difficult to deal with. If you now decide to recall the money as a loan, then you are doing it because she didn't fawn over you in thanks. Do you really want to be the person who you requires that? I would be more generous in spirit and leave the money as a gift, but if you feel that you would like to stop there, then leave the rest of your money to someone else in your will.

SwimmingInLemonade · 22/01/2018 19:50

I think sometimes when you do someone a favour it makes them feel somehow resentful. It's as if they hate being in your debt and they take it out on you! That's just reminded me of a quote - googled and it was Mark Twain: “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man.”

Thequeenisdeadboys · 22/01/2018 19:52

How much did you lend her ? You lent her money and she is obliged to repay the loan. You need to speak to her. I also don't know why you needed to mention her weight ??

Smudge100 · 22/01/2018 19:53

How is it a criminal offence to lend money to family members??

I didn't tell her I was writing off the debt. That was my original intention but I didn't tell her that. There is nothing in writing BECAUSE she is a family member and if she refuses to repay the loan, there is probably nothing I could do, nor would I want to bother, quite frankly. But it would certainly cement my view of present view of her.

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AnachronisticCorpse · 22/01/2018 19:53

I’m 38 and I often revert to being a surly teen after too long in the company of my parents. Families are weird, especially at Christmas.

Smudge100 · 22/01/2018 19:55

I mention her weight only because it has been a cause for concern for many years and because the job she is training for requires you to be able to run, lift patients and generally be physically fit. She is several stones overweight and I thought that along with doing the course she is taking, she would also see the need to address this particular issue, which is likely to be an impediment to her securing employment and to carrying out that employment effectively.

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sonjadog · 22/01/2018 19:58

But you said that she was likely to secure employment so your suppositions about her weight holding her back were wrong. So why mention her weight at all? And what does her weight have to do with you lending or giving her the money?

Cagliostro · 22/01/2018 20:00

Her dropping out was my first thought too. Maybe she’s embarrassed. Of course YANBU to ask for the money back though as you’d never told her any different anyway

Thequeenisdeadboys · 22/01/2018 20:01

She's not actually refusing to pay back the money though is she?? No-one has addressed it. Maybe call her... Hi Niece, Wouldn't mind getting something sorted now regarding repayment of that very generous loan that enabled you to kick start your new career? Thanks, Smudge.

LIZS · 22/01/2018 20:03

Would suggest you try to get a repayment plan in writing asap. One way or another it should resolve things.

Spartaca · 22/01/2018 20:03

If there was nothing in writing, you have no case, and will need to write off the money.

Why? As far as we know the lady is planning on repaying as agreed?

Mix56 · 22/01/2018 20:04

She's 38, she could have made an effort for ONE day.
Tell her you require repayment,

petbear · 22/01/2018 20:04

I would quit if I were you @smudge100 - you are sounding worse and worse the more you post.

'She is several stones overweight.'

That ^ sounds as patronising as fuck. Over half the population of the UK is 'several stones overweight' - (or more... ) It doesn't stop them from being a normal, high functioning human being.

HotelEuphoria · 22/01/2018 20:04

Paramedic? I am trying to think of healthcare positions that weren't NHS funded three years ago and require you to carry patients and run!

sixteenapples · 22/01/2018 20:04

Of course you are not committing a crime OP. Idiotic statement I lend and borrow money to family all the time. Most of us do at some point. Are we supposed to register with the FSA if we lend our kids a fiver for a pizza??

Secondly OP said it was a loan. FFS READ the OP. (She said she had had it mind not to ask for it back but had not mentioned that or finally decided)

She is not asking for arse licking - just courtesy. Perhaps also there is a feeling of being used - which no-one likes.

I know I have felt it - once when I was sixteen a very long time ago when I did something for a boy, (not sexual, it was financial), because I thought he liked me. When I realised that he just thought I was a fool and that I had been used the humiliation was horrible. I can still feel the shame all these years later.

I suspect that that is more how OP feels.

Ask her how she is, yes, and then ask when she can start repayments.

If things improve you can still make her a beneficiary of your will.

HotelEuphoria · 22/01/2018 20:06

I think you should disengage from her OP, but only when you have confirmed the repayment terms with her.

Oh and leave your money to your favourite charity. I don't think you have done anything wrong, she sounds a miserable sod.

prideofaberdeen · 22/01/2018 20:07

Requires her to run?! What course is she doing?? If she's training to be a physio, then there are already lots of overweight physios employed out there. You can't be refused a job for being overweight, well not legally anyway.
Did you ask her parents how she is? If you are close how come you haven't spoken for so long? Not justifying her behaviour but if this is out of character then I'd be worried about her. And regarding the FB thing, it wasn't just you there over Xmas. Parents can be bloody hard work to be around for several days if you're used to living away from them. I hazard a guess that a heck of a lot of people who love their families shared the same meme!

Blackteadrinker77 · 22/01/2018 20:08

Why have you not seen her in a year?

Smudge100 · 22/01/2018 20:08

I know for a fact that she hasn't dropped out of the course.

Over half the population of the UK is 'several stones overweight' - (or more... ) Er, no, they're not. The majority of the UK population is not obese.

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JenniferYellowHat1980 · 22/01/2018 20:09

If this is the way you generally think of and talk about people, OP, I'm not surprised she gave you short shrift.

sixteenapples · 22/01/2018 20:09

And if she doesn't pay it back and is rude then she'll not get anything when you die will she.

Spartaca · 22/01/2018 20:09

I am, but could quite happily run around and lift people if need be. I'm pretty strong. 🤔

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