If you are Muslim can you help me please?

[Beeinthecity]

It's dds friends birthday tomorrow and she has just decided she wants to take her in some chocolate as a gift, only dd has sen and isn't very observant to what she normally has!

I know you have to stay away from certain foods and about Halal but we aren't sure what is okay and what is not.

Are things like normal dairy milk bar or those boxes of little dairy milk chocolates OK?
Can you suggest anything else please that will be OK that I can buy on a Sunday locally please.

Thank you!

Peabody. I was taking the piss slightly.
If terrified animals are troubling you so much maybe consider reducing your meat consumption, or going veggie or vegan.
If you kill an animal it’s fucking terrified- it doesn’t matter how you do it, they’re living beings.

The slaughter of animals is disgusting. Halal or not ! I think we should all be vegetarians. In the words of the great Morrissey 'Meat is Murder' !

Digging a hole for myself. However you kill an animal is grim but placing value on the life of the animal with a prayer as in halal slaughter is IMO very respectful

thequeenisdead I agree !!

@Beeinthecity it's not a stupid question, you're being very respectful of their beliefs.

Alinde it wasn’t about a nice bit of dairy milk was it. Flip flop states clearly not giving a shit about halal practices. Then calls me out about being goady - you know, that good old unthinking mumsnet insult , totally determined to call down complete opprobrium on any argument against the original premise - well think for a minute about halal practices for a start.
And Muslim preferences don’t automatically trump other preferences..

Flipflop backtracking !

Marshmallow contains beef gelatine.

Some of the jelly sweets contain pork.

flipflop what good is prayer to animal heading for the slaughterhouse??

thequeenisdead
Guilty as charged 😩
That will teach me to write half arsed replies when I’m trying to compose my own thread in a different tab.
I’ve been veggie for years I hate all slaughter and don’t think that halal is any worse than “traditional” slaughter.
I was trying to state the appreciation I had for the way Muslims value the animals they kill as beings because I think it’s a step towards seeing all animals as beings not food.
Eloquence is clearly not my strong point today. And sorry for calling you goady Peabody just assumed you were trying to pick a fight and after witnessing racial slurs being hurled at a young Muslim girl this afternoon I wasn’t in the mood.

Which is no excuse. I’ll wind my neck in. 😂😩

www.halalsign.com/halal-global-database/halal-database-uk/

Awww flipflop ! Don't wind your neck in !

Thequeenisdead.. correct: but can we remember the original premise. That was about gifts acceptable to Muslims.
That became conflated with food acceptable to Muslims, and slaughter practices acceptable to Muslims. That everyone else would accept because of the foregoing.

I think people - and yes, I’m looking at flip flop squarely - need to be able to argue clear reasons why it is reasonable, logical and acceptable why one religious belief system dominates other belief systems.
I will state the idealogically unthinkable : it is possible that Muslim thought isn’t right.

Peabody No, it isn't right, how can it ever be right ?

Mind you flip flop - good on you - I’m looking guilty here too - this isn’t a personal thing , it’s an argument, my last comment sounds very anti Muslim and I do not mean that. I mean, one ideology doesn’t trump another.
I do feel most strongly that animal welfare should depend on more than a prayer.

Peabody. I wasn’t stating that halal was reasonable- I was suggesting that all slaughter was unreasonable. I’ve apologised for my lack of eloquence. It’s not for me about halal being right and others being wrong, it’s about all slaughter being shit but the focus on animals as beings as in halal slaughter that in my opinion can be positive as it may pave the way for animals to be viewed as beings and consumed less for food.

Sorry it’s not about the prayer as such, but about the value placed on the animal. If that makes any sense what so ever? I’m not sure it does maybe I need to go to bed.

The OP’s dd’s friend has a birthday tomorrow.

OP’s dd wants to give her a gift.

Friend is Muslim.

OP’s dd wants to gift her something appropriate that friend will be able to eat.

OP is checking to see what would be acceptable to gift.

Everyone on the thread is suggested just checking whatever item is suitable for vegetarians and alcohol free.

Nobody as far as I have read, has suggested OP go slaughter an animal for the child or that she compromise her religious beliefs because Islam dominates her religion.

To be clear, vegetarian food is available widely and not because anyone is bending over for Muslim sensibilities, loads of people are vegetarian. OP can gift her books, money, veg suitable chocolates & sweets, plastic tat etc etc these would all be halal. It’s not Islam dominating anyone.

Nobody is being ‘right on’, it’s etiquette to take a gift to a birthday party. And usually the giver considers what the recipient would like.

Thequeen:

I wonder how many posters will agree with you. I cannot wholly disagree with Muslim beliefs. But I do say much isn’t acceptable especially with regards to acceptable practices ref animals..

And I do not accept that anyone should kowtow to a religion .

Nothing's been slaughtered to produce a chocolate button.
There is still a possible issue with alcohol hand sanitisers, probe wipes, surface sanitisers etc. even in a fully vegetarian factory, but alternatives are available and widely used, whether or not the site has gone for formal Halal certification or not.
There's very little difference between halal / conventional slaughter for lamb in this country. It's only stun to kill rather than stun to stun that is an issue. Non-stun abattoirs are rare, despite what the easily lead might parrot from their Facebook feeds.
All meat is bled post slaughter, either throat stick ( which also meats halal requirements) or heart stick ( which doesn't as death is caused by directly stopping the heart, rather than bleeding out. The animal, in the UK, is unconscious in most facilities unless very customer specific).
I think everyone should visit an abattoir to be honest, it's probably nothing like you imagine.
Ironically the only animal I feel uncomfortable about is pigs, they seem a bit more switched on about what is about to happen

And why should a gift be edible?
And if you are friends - even children - don’t you talk? Don’t you know, as kids, what’s ok or not in the broadest sense. ?

Are you people here for real? You really cannot find out or know what is ok to give?
Wow!

Best gifts are edible I’m my book (since kids can’t dribk gin or wine).

Diary I could have sworn I posted a fairly definitive list

www.halalsign.com/halal-global-database/halal-database-uk/

Bollocks feckko. Not every good thing is edible. Gin or wine?for kids? Leave it out !

Look. If you have, you know, a friend, you have an idea of what they would like as a birthday gift.If more is needed than a verbal greeting.
This whole thing has got silly because of the preciousness around perceived Muslim sensibility

I haven’t yet read an answer that borders on logical or sensible but I live in hope.