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AIBU?

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Turpin horror house keeping me awake at night

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LivelyMummy · 18/01/2018 19:15

I should have listened to my mum - apparently when pregnant you should keep away from bad news, scary movies, sad people etc

Since the story broke out, it is on my mind all the time. 13 beautiful children - how lucky are these parents! Just why treat them like this? I'm heart broken for these children.

There is nothing I can do. I am so angry, so sad, so helpless...

Does anyone understand why the parents did this?

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DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 19/01/2018 22:12

There hasn’t been anything yet. One of her sisters says she (the sister not louise) was sexually abused as a child by someone she loved and trusted and that she witnessed her mother assaulted and raped. Not sure if louise was present for that or not. Louise left the family Home aged 16 and sister elisabeth was 8.

WaxOnFeckOff · 19/01/2018 22:16

From what I've read, Louise's parents broke up a couple of years after she left and got married. The abuse talked about could be in relation to a new partner of the girls' mother rather than abuse that happened within the family while Louise was home?

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 19/01/2018 22:24

Yes it could be.

myguineapigisinnocent · 19/01/2018 22:37

LemonShark I do not think cruelty towards children can ever have a rational motive. Maybe a perceived motive in the parents' twisted minds. senseless cruelty. some people are evil and should not have children.

brizzledrizzle · 19/01/2018 23:33

Cheesy, there is no point in us engaging in discussion as I will never agree with your POV.

MorbidBibliomancy · 19/01/2018 23:55

Is this their house? It looks pretty clean. Also rows and rows or neatly stacked dvds and board games found in it too. Odd. Doesn’t sound like the previous homes were described.

All of the photos of the children seem to be very carefully staged. Parts of the house (which the children may not have had access to usually) may have been clean - or cleaned specifically for that photo - but the rest of the property could well have been in a state. It seems as though they stage-managed the image they gave off to the outside world, hence the many photos of 'wholesome' family holidays etc. It's all so calculating and sinister.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 20/01/2018 00:49

One of her sisters says she (the sister not louise) was sexually abused as a child by someone she loved and trusted and that she witnessed her mother assaulted and raped

That sister seems to have been very young when the parents split and spoke fondly about her father. She also spoke about his heartbreak at being told not to visit by Louise and Louise not visiting on his deathbed and how awful she thought that was. So it doesn't sound like the father was the abuser, yes it does sound like a later partner.

Fridgedooropen · 20/01/2018 01:19

This seems to be the anger thread on this topic so I'm bringing mine. As well as feeling rage at the parents (who knew the wider world wouldn't accept this behaviour, and so are culpable) and desperately sad for the children, I'm also - purely selfishly - feeling angry that Louise, who's being reported as being 49, must have had a last baby at 47. I long to have another child and it's one more sign of how cruel the universe can be that a woman who'd been horribly abusive to her large group of children was fertile enough at that late age to have another when it's so hard for other women. No justice. I don't resent other women for getting pregnant but in this one instance I'll make an exception.

some people are evil and should not have children - absolutely.

CommonGrounds · 20/01/2018 01:23

Suitable for book parade or Halloween. A family outing across a wide range of kids?

The thing 1, 2, 3 being worn by whole family is pretty much standard wear for universal theme parks. They sell them in the shops in the parks. Really not unusual to see whole families wearing them-no-one seeing them would have raised an eyebrow (other than 13 children is a lot!)

halfwitpicker · 20/01/2018 02:15

fridge door

I agree with everything you've said.

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 20/01/2018 04:21

If the baby is hers, Fridge.

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LivelyMummy · 20/01/2018 08:33

@Fridgedooropen I agree... then we don't know if she had fertility treatment, or if the baby is even hers...

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LittleLionMansMummy · 20/01/2018 08:58

As for the aunt saying her sister is dead to her, what a bitch. I'd like to think that I'd offer my siblings support if they were facing life in prison

That's funny, coz I'd like to think I'd be offering all my support to my nieces and nephews who had been starved, beaten, tied up as prisoners and denied any kind of dignity or human rights, such as an education and contact with the outside world. Ffs.

RoseGoldEagle · 20/01/2018 08:59

I thought exactly this too fridge!

Eltonjohnssyrup · 20/01/2018 09:15

There are pictures of her pregnant and they look pretty convincing.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 20/01/2018 09:18

Plus, 12 kids - hyperfertile. Not improbable that she could get pregnant right into her 40s.

Sex abuse doesn't seem to be a huge feature of this case with only one charge. I suspect that means that something once happened as part of a punishment which tipped over into 'lewd act' rather than routine sexual abuse.

And TBH, I'm not really into this whole bigging it up into worse than it is drive. It's terrible enough as it is and I hope for the children's sake it isn't worse than we're currently hearing.

MrsDilber · 20/01/2018 10:07

A lot of kids in America are homeschooled for religious reasons, that in itself is weird and wrong imo. If you live your life devoid of information, just being given what your parents want you to know, is brainwashing.

WickedLazy · 20/01/2018 10:17

Is hog tying not quite a fetish/bondage thing to do? And isn't that how three were tied up? Surely if they were just purely being restrained, there would be other ways..?

LemonShark · 20/01/2018 10:54

Hog tying is a practise used in BDSM sometimes but it's also just a really efficient way to immobilise someone while causing them a great deal of pain. Reports I saw stated one known instance of hog tying as punishment. It may have happened more than that, in fact I'm sure it did, but I don't think it was their standard method of restraint. Likely some were restrained 'normally' and ones who escaped or tried to escape were hogtied as punishment.

Law enforcement have said all the kids are the biological offspring of the two parents so no reason to believe any of them were a result of incest thankfully. They wouldn't state that if they hadn't ran the necessary tests.

ReanimatedSGB · 22/01/2018 11:28

Hogtying has a long history of being used as punishment without sexual connotations.

MorrisZapp · 22/01/2018 11:32

Agree with Eltonjohn. The details of this case will become public knowledge in due course. Until then, incest chat etc seems inappropriate.

IndigoMoonFlower · 29/01/2018 17:26

at 1.21 / 2.45 Just awful, half starved girls made to wear really high heels and told to dance by the Elvis bloke...the eldest one can barely stand, poor love.

I hope from now on they can start to heal holistically and that justice will be done

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