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All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)

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badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 22:57

A nod to Banzai there for old timers like me.

Old thread here.

Question is, is it Mueller time yet? Anyone fancy placing a bet on when Trump will exit the POTUS role?

My bet: 20 March 2019.

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lionheart · 18/01/2018 12:11

Washington Post‏Verified account
@washingtonpost

'Trump opens all the envelopes himself at first "Fake News Awards"' Smile

fake news awards

PerkingFaintly · 18/01/2018 12:23

Ah, lettuce, that headline is marvellous.Grin

All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)
badbadhusky · 18/01/2018 12:41

That headline is genius! Grin

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lionheart · 18/01/2018 12:52

CNN fact check.

All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)
lionheart · 18/01/2018 12:54

Review.

'Forgetting the Forgotten: 101 Ways Donald Trump Has Betrayed his Populist Agenda.'

corporatepresidency.org/forgotten/

lionheart · 18/01/2018 13:01

'Donald Trump will give an overt White House endorsement to anti-abortion demonstrators on Friday as the annual March for Life gathers in Washington.

In what amounts to the strongest showing of White House support in the event’s history, Trump will become the first president in 45 years to make a public appearance.

While thousands of anti-abortion demonstrators gather near the Washington Monument, in sight of the White House, Trump will address them live via video link from the Rose Garden – the traditional staging ground for major policy announcements and diplomatic receptions.'

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/donald-trump-march-for-life-endorsement

lionheart · 18/01/2018 13:13

'Op-Ed The Fake News Awards are another escalation in Trump's assault on press freedoms.'

www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mcmullin-finn-fake-news-awards-20180117-story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 13:42

Julia Davis

@JuliaDavisNews
#Russia's state TV:
Irony is off the charts, as the hosts are having fun with Trump's #FakeNewsAwards. The real fake-makers are in no danger of ever being named as such by our stable genius.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 13:43

Tis a good guide

Russia Sanctions: Upcoming Deadlines Loom on the Horizon

www.lawfareblog.com/russia-sanctions-upcoming-deadlines-loom-horizon

goose1964 · 18/01/2018 14:02

I think it's worrying that my first thought when trump's medical was released was Oh really? Surely you should be able to believe statements from a government

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 14:05

I think that was blown out of the water with Sean Spicer's very first press conference "largest crowd size" comments

Lweji · 18/01/2018 14:24

I think that was blown out of the water with Sean Spicer's very first press conference "largest crowd size" comments

What was blown out of the water?
"Believe statements from a government"?
or
"Fake news awards"?

Both?

All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 14:32

I meant "believe statements from a government" but both are applicable!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:07

Manu Raju
‏*@mkraju*
Transcripts of Fusion GPS’ co-founder Glenn Simpson’s testimony before House Intel will be released to the public after the panel unanimously agreed to do so, Rep. Denny Heck just told me

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:08

Nina Khrushcheva Donald Trump's not quite Joseph Stalin. But his 'Fake News Awards' should scare us.
Trump’s America is in some ways even worse than Russia was during my Soviet childhood.

www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/donald-trump-s-not-quite-joseph-stalin-his-fake-news-ncna838456

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:11

Manu Raju
‏*@mkraju*
GOP and Dem members of House Intel don’t seem to know whether Bannon will show up today after his attorney pushed back on subpoena requiring him to appear this afternoon. “Don’t know,” Gowdy says

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:14

Actions not words, but it's pretty amusing/terrifying to see his tweets sending the Republicans into a spin

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
CHIP should be part of a long term solution, not a 30 Day, or short term, extension!

Manu Raju
‏*@mkraju*
Trump seems to be disagreeing with the WH/Hill GOP strategy to tie CHIP to the CR to get votes to keep govt open

And

Sahil Kapur‏Verified account
@sahilkapur
Uh oh. Now he’s undercutting the Republican strategy, which is to use the CHIP extension to coerce Dems into voting yes.

Jonathan Swan
‏*@jonathanvswan*
Another (perhaps wishful thinking) theory circulating among GOP leadership: that Trump is confused, worded his tweet wrong, and is actually endorsing six-year CHIP extension.

And

David Wright‏Verified account
.@JohnCornyn on Fox just now: "Well, I'm not sure what the president means. What this [current short-term spending proposal] would do, though, is it would reauthorize the CHIP program for, I believe, for five years. So, it is not just a 30-day extension."
.@JohnCornyn: "Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy have to figure a way to cobble together the 218 votes. Apparently, they feel like adding this will help them get to the 218 votes."
On immigration talks, @JohnCornyn says "we're back at the drawing board" -- "I give [Durbin & Graham] credit for trying, but it wasn't strong enough for border security for me and didn't satisfy the president's demands"
Asked about chances House can avert shutdown, @JohnCornyn says "I think it is pretty good. We all understand the importance of keeping the lights on here in the nation's capitol while we're working on this other deal, these other deals."
.@JohnCornyn: "Unfortunately the DACA discussion has really hijacked everything else, including the negotiation over budget caps, funding the military, children's health insurance, and other important programs. So, that's where we are now."
.@JohnCornyn: "Until we get that worked out, I don't think the Democrats are going to let us pass the funding for the military and these other priorities."
.@JohnCornyn adds, "I think @SenatorDurbin is finally beginning to accept the fact that this negotiated deal with @LindseyGrahamSC and others is not going to work."

Daniel Dale
‏*@ddale8*
More Daniel Dale Retweeted David Wright
Another January morning of Republicans trying to figure out if Trump's tweet means he is opposing their position or just very confused.

And

Matt O'Brien‏Verified account
@ObsoleteDogma
"Why the president suddenly undercut Republican arguments was not immediately clear"

Dan Pfeiffer
‏*@danpfeiffer*
Potential Reasons:
a) Has no idea what his own strategy is.
b) Saw something on Fox and Friends that confused him.
c) Is not a very stable genius.
d) All of the above.

Roussette · 18/01/2018 15:23

It must be the JOB FROM HELL to work with 45. He says one thing, does another, he doesn't understand basic facts. He won't listen. He won't read. He flip flops for a pastime. Absolute hell. I would think that those that work closely with him spend most of their time 'managing' him and fire fighting

Lweji · 18/01/2018 15:25

Maybe we could all apply for a WH internship. I'd have a field day trolling them with fake Presidential tweet scares.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:33

Imagine the fun you could have if you managed to stream any other news channel but Fox onto Trump's TV. I'd love to see him confront reality instead of manufacturing his own.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:35

Jennifer Rubin
‏*@JRubinBlogger*
when Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) stepped forward to say he wouldn’t vote for another short-term bill, Democrats got a spine-stiffener. If a Republican won’t bail on DACA to fund the government, how can they?

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/18/how-the-republicans-are-blowing-their-blame-game/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.1d4fd694da1f

The Republican gambit to blame Democrats — who control neither the House, Senate nor White House — for failure to keep the government running was always a long shot. They are, as they keep reminding us, in charge and have the majorities to keep the government funded. Nevertheless, they’ve tried to convince dubious voters that Democrats are creating a shutdown because of that party’s desire to protect “dreamers” under the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program. That’s daft since, once again, a majority of Republicans are available to vote for a spending bill with no DACA fix.

Then the Republicans started digging themselves into a hole. President Trump declared he would sign any DACA deal agreed upon by Democrats and Republicans. When they gave him one, he erupted and made a racist remark. Then Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the majority leader, and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said they would not bring a spending deal including a DACA fix to their floors for a vote, even though it would pass, because the president would reject it. (How they can predict what Trump will do, I have no idea.)

Worse yet, McConnell let the cat out of the bag that the problem is Trump. “I’m looking for something that President Trump supports, and he has not yet indicated what measure he is willing to sign,” McConnell said. “As soon as we figure out what he is for, then I would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels.” They will vote on a DACA fix “as soon as we figure out what he is for,” McConnell added.

Gumpendorf · 18/01/2018 15:38

Meanwhile, the NYT gives a page to understand what Trump supporters see.

'Vision, Chutzpah and some Testosterone'

www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/opinion/trump-voters-supporters.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

One of the shorter examples:

^Granted we have the most unpresidential president of our time. Crude, rude, clueless dude — but I believe, with the help of his friends, he’s stumbling through one of the most effective presidencies in memory.
As the Sonny LoSpecchio character wisely concluded in the movie “A Bronx Tale,” it’s better to be feared than loved. My hope is for our enemies to fear Donald Trump and for his domestic opponents to realize he’s on their side.^

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:38

MSNBC
‏*@MSNBC*
Rep. Jim Himes: A few members of the House Intel committee brought copies of 'Fire & Fury' to their interview with Steve Bannon:

www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/house-democrats-have-more-questions-for-steve-bannon-1139508291664?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

[it's not an article but a segment from the 11th hour]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/01/2018 15:41

Josh Dawsey
‏*@jdawsey1*
Hill person answers my call without saying hello. "Are you going to ask me about Trump's tweet? Because I have no idea."

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