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All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)

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badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 22:57

A nod to Banzai there for old timers like me.

Old thread here.

Question is, is it Mueller time yet? Anyone fancy placing a bet on when Trump will exit the POTUS role?

My bet: 20 March 2019.

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GingerIvy · 20/01/2018 23:58

And then there's this..... Hmm

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Joe Arpaio is seeking to have his conviction reversed for a second time before running for Arizona U.S. Senate bit.ly/2mTn9pg pic.twitter.com/TeKAmqc8DN

GingerIvy · 21/01/2018 00:00

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Speaker Ryan won’t let a bill with a DACA fix come to the floor, which caused the #TrumpShutdown. My guess is that he’s worried the Freedom Caucus and @RepMarkMeadows are coming for his job.

TheClaws · 21/01/2018 00:00

There's a fair bit of illuminating opinion about Seth Abramson in this piece - of which I was ignorant.
Taking everything with a large pinch of salt, I may only rely on Renato Marriotti for legal explanations now...

North I still follow Seth Abramson (though not every tweet in his threads - they are crazy-long), and occasionally post something from him here. I think there has been a focused smear campaign on him (Mensch has it in for him, for one). He hasn’t always been right, yes, but there is no doubt he has put a great deal of work in to the cause. Throwing up doubts as to if he is a Professor or an Assistant Professor (and of what), and if he is a current lawyer, are nothing but attempts to undermine his credibility.

badbadhusky · 21/01/2018 00:01

Twitter is full of Trumpites and bots under the #WomensMarch2018 hashtag. And the usual crop of hairy handed “get back in the kitchen bitches!” under-bridge dwellers. Makes reading the posts under that hashtag very tiresome, though I guess that’s the point.

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GingerIvy · 21/01/2018 00:02

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These men can't keep the government open while these women organized a nationwide march of millions.

Crazy idea: More women in power. #TrumpShutdown pic.twitter.com/p6YliOOFpW

cozietoesie · 21/01/2018 00:17

Claws

I just take everyone with a grain of salt. (Apart from my hall-pass.) It's usually safer. So just keep posting as you will. Smile

lionheart · 21/01/2018 01:07

Yes, I think Seth has been targetted.

The good thing about social media is that it makes it easier to look to multiple sources. Lawfare, for example, often shows differing legal opinions and interpretations.

I like to compare and contrast and then wait for the facts to emerge (Mueller, take care but do hurry). Smile

cozietoesie · 21/01/2018 01:11

I suspect that Mr M is cognisant of the need to get it right, first and foremost. All told, though, he's going much faster than I thought he might.

lionheart · 21/01/2018 01:28

'By the book' is a strangely comforting phrase. Smile

lionheart · 21/01/2018 01:40

"I have a message for Cadet Bone Spurs: If you cared about our military, you’d stop baiting Kim Jong Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops ... in danger."

shareblue.com/iraq-war-vet-tammy-duckworth-nails-trump-i-will-not-be-lectured-by-a-draft-dodger/#.WmPpYNKhjQs.twitter

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 21/01/2018 02:06

Found the updated thread! Will catch up now.

TheClaws · 21/01/2018 03:30

Bishop Talbert Swan @TalbertSwan
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Austin, TX broke the record for largest gathering in Texas history. #WomensMarch2018

All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)
TheClaws · 21/01/2018 03:33

I shall, cozie!

TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/01/2018 08:33

I'm still following Seth A. I like his explanations and with all the other sources posted here and elsewhere I'm happy that we're getting most of the truth. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/01/2018 08:38

That campaign ad is awful - it really is as though they’re trying to incite violence/call for civil war.

Favian Quezada
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@jaketapper I didn't believe it. So I called. @WhiteHouse comment line recording

Wendy Siegelman
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I called to check and this real, have you heard this @waltshaub @NormEisen @RWPUSA @CREWcrew HT @velvetblade

Wendy Siegelman
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This is the number

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Update

Alt_SeanSpicer'sMic🎙🤦🏻‍♀️🎙
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Well I guess someone realized their previous message was petty and terrible optics. It appears they changed said voicemail

mobile.twitter.com/Alt_Spicerlies/status/954874684310544385/video/1

[also: washingtonpress.com/2018/01/20/trump-just-threw-shutdown-tantrum-official-white-house-phones-voicemail-recording/ ]

All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)
TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/01/2018 08:39

Interesting story by @AnnieLinskey on continuing controversy over Elizabeth Warren's claim to be a Native American. Conservative web sites and GOP will continue pursue this if she's a credible 2020 candidate.

www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/01/19/elizabeth-warren-native-american-problem-goes-beyond-politics/uK9pGOl4JBmqmRUcxTNj3H/story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/01/2018 08:44

United States border patrol agents routinely vandalise containers of water and other supplies left in the Arizona desert for migrants, according to two humanitarian groups.

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/17/us-border-patrol-sabotage-aid-migrants-mexico-arizona

And

FLImmigrantCoalition
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.@CustomsBorder got on a Greyhound bus yesterday at 4:30pm in Fort Lauderdale and asked every passenger for their papers and to prove citizenship. Proof of citizenship is NOT required to ride a bus! For more information about your rights, call our hotline👉 1-888-600-5762

mobile.twitter.com/FLImmigrant/status/954771543535611904/video/1

TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/01/2018 09:00

One more sign from yesterday's marches - definitely in my Top 10!(Not sure which city)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/01/2018 09:09

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  1. Can I ask everyone a favor? People are acting like the #TrumpShutdown is the result of incompetence, and blaming others for letting things come to this pass. Are they not seeing that this is deliberate? This whole year has been about breaking things down.
  2. Just think about what they have broken down. Codes preventing corruption. Codes of respectful speech. Codes of treating women and minorities. Codes of speaking of foreign nations. Codes of all our traditional American values.
  3. Codes of environmental protection. Codes of how we treat the sick and the elderly. Codes of how we speak of people with disabilities. Codes of how we deal with scientific research. Codes of how we separate truth from blatant lies.
  4. All the basic stuff people used to agree on, from funding schools and infrastructure, to keeping kids from getting sick, to preserving our international alliances, has suddenly become “controversial.” This is not an accident.
  5. The current administration and all its enablers hate our government and the values that have allowed our country to flourish throughout the generations. Destroying the government is the core of Trumpism. Why is this hard to see?
  6. So please, let’s stop acting like this is an accident. It’s a deliberate instrument to sow chaos in our nation. We are fighting back and we need your help. If you believe in the American values that made our nation great, I’d appreciate your support.
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/01/2018 09:21

www.nytimes.com/2018/01/20/us/politics/trump-shutdown.html

On Saturday, the president was left alternately defiant and angry, self-pitying and frustrated. He argued to aides that he did not deserve the blame he was taking, but without a credible deal on the table, there was little for him to do. Irritated to have missed his big event in Florida, Mr. Trump spent much of his day watching old TV clips of him berating President Barack Obama for a lack of leadership during the 2013 government shutdown, a White House aide said, seeming content to sit back and watch the show.

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 21/01/2018 09:24

Trump hard at work. (I don't know if the photo is real)

mobile.twitter.com/charliepick/status/954967474277003264

Rather bizarrely, he seems to have a big sheet of clear plastic? glass? under his chair presumably because it's easy to wipe down if there are any spillages.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/01/2018 09:48

This has been visibly brewing for the last few days but now ground troops are involved

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BREAKING: Turkish state media reports that Turkish ground forces have crossed into Syrian Kurdish enclave.

badbadhusky · 21/01/2018 10:00

Trump be having a bad hair day - can’t think why he’d be wearing a baseball cap indoors*. Is his wig-tamer on furlough?

  • I do know he’s really modelling it to generate sales.
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