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All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)

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badbadhusky · 17/01/2018 22:57

A nod to Banzai there for old timers like me.

Old thread here.

Question is, is it Mueller time yet? Anyone fancy placing a bet on when Trump will exit the POTUS role?

My bet: 20 March 2019.

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GingerIvy · 19/01/2018 22:55

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The President said he was going to run America like his businesses. Apparently we have reached the part where he would usually just declare bankruptcy and run away. #TrumpShutdown

lionheart · 19/01/2018 22:57

'Things of value.' Indeed.

www.justsecurity.org/51216/trump-campaign-russia-alliance-campaign-finance/

badbadhusky · 19/01/2018 23:05

The President said he was going to run America like his businesses. Apparently we have reached the part where he would usually just declare bankruptcy and run away. #TrumpShutdown

I think this guy has the situation spot on. Unfortunately for the US.

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cozietoesie · 19/01/2018 23:19

45 may not have spoken to Bannon, Pain. After all, he has the same lawyer as McGahn. (And Priebus.)

I don't think the WH know much about what he could say, either.

lionheart · 19/01/2018 23:32

This is quite cheery.

'Rather than home in on the nature of Simpson's relationship with Christopher Steele — the former British intelligence officer hired by Fusion to research Trump's Russia ties — Schiff and his Democratic colleagues asked Simpson pointed questions about Russian money laundering, Russian organized crime, and whether Trump could be susceptible to Russian blackmail.

The result was a long trail of breacrumbs for investigators probing Trump's relationship with Russia.'

transcript

TheClaws · 20/01/2018 00:42

From The Hill, re: the potential release of a memo detailing Democrats’ alleged use of the FBI to gather intelligence about the Trump campaign.

thehill.com/policy/national-security/369851-fierce-battle-erupts-over-declassifying-intelligence-report

‘“I think the whole political purpose of this is to make a misleading case to the public, perpetuate the president’s political narrative, but not let the public see the underlying materials that would show just how distorted it is — I think that’s by design,” said Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee.’

cozietoesie · 20/01/2018 00:53

So they're trying to use a 'top-line' report while not allowing access to the alleged 'intelligence' on which it is based?

TheClaws · 20/01/2018 01:50

From what I can gather, cozie, it’s more they are getting Joe Public into a tizzy wondering what the memo contains - is it really unlawful? - and at the same time diverting them the issues at hand. I think it’s unlikely we’ll ever see the memo, or if we do it won’t hold anything of note - certainly not to the level that Nunes is implying. It is a smokescreen.

I’m happy to be corrected, though!

TheClaws · 20/01/2018 01:56

Pure propaganda from Fox. Tagging it the ‘Schumer Shutdown’ - and I use the term ‘tagging’ deliberately as I saw commenters underneath the tweet then it as a tag - is laughable. The GOP control this. Trump is packing up and leaving for Florida for a fancy dinner. So, really? This is down to a Chuck Schumer?

Fox News @FoxNews
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.@MickMulvaneyOMB: "If [the government] does shut down, there's a reason it's called the 'Schumer Shutdown." The only person who could really shut this down by himself is @chuckschumer." #TheStory

AcrossthePond55 · 20/01/2018 03:39

Looks like we got us a shutdown. Thanks Scrotus!

AcrossthePond55 · 20/01/2018 03:42

Anyone want to give me odds on Scrotus flying off to MarALago anyway? Probably with some sort of tweet-storm flying in his wake?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 04:19

cozie No we don’t know it was trump who called bannon in the sense that we weren’t there to witness it happen (I’m assuming Grin) but it is being reported in the media that it was (eg foreign policy have said ”President Donald Trump personally made the decision to curtail the testimony of former chief White House political strategist Steve Bannon before the House Intelligence Committee, according to two people with firsthand knowledge of the matter.” ( foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/18/trump-ordered-bannon-to-limit-testimony/ ) .

That’s similar to how other revelations in this long saga have been sourced, which I’ve generally accepted to be true (although obviously there’s no guarantee that it is, being anonymously sourced, but as all other many, many “shoes to drop” have also been anonymously sourced, and I see nothing that distinguishes it from any of the other numerous bombshells, I’m going to work on the assumption that it too is true).

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“American officials suspect China then shared that information with Russia, which employed it to expose, arrest and possibly kill American sources in that country.”

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/amp/cia-china-turncoat-lee-may-have-compromised-u-s-spies-n839316#click=t.co/uBFmcSnfSB" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nbcnews.com/news/china/amp/cia-china-turncoat-lee-may-have-compromised-u-s-spies-n839316#click=t.co/uBFmcSnfSB

The arrest last week of a former CIA officer suspected of spying for China exposed one of the most significant intelligence breaches in American history. But the damage is even worse than first reported, sources familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

A secret FBI–CIA task force investigating the case concluded that the Chinese government penetrated the CIA's method of clandestine communication with its spies, using that knowledge to arrest and execute at least 20 CIA informants, according to multiple current and former government officials.

American officials suspect China then shared that information with Russia, which employed it to expose, arrest and possibly even kill American spies in that country, said the current and former officials, who declined to be named discussing a highly sensitive matter. The possible sharing with Russia has not previously been reported.

Those sobering findings, sometime after the inquiry began in 2012, led the CIA to temporarily shut down human spying in China, and to overhaul the way it communicates with its assets around the world, according to former government officials familiar with the case.

It was a shocking blow to an American spy agency that prides itself on its field operations. There was also a devastating human cost: Some 20 CIA sources were executed by the Chinese government, two former officials said — a higher number of dead than initially reported by NBC News and the New York Times. Then an unknown number of Russian assets also disappeared, sources say.

[...]Soon after the task force concluded the Chinese had penetrated covcom, it got an even more troubling report: That after a joint training session between Chinese and Russian intelligence officers, the Russians "came back saying we got good info on covcom," as the former official put it.

Investigators began examining cases of U.S. assets in Russia who had disappeared. Officials concluded they had to change their system for agent communications.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 04:21

across I don’t think you’d get much of a return on your money if you wagered that bet as any bookies would probably have high odds on that happening (or whatever way round the odds have to be to suggest the event is highly likely - not that au fait with the lingo Blush)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 04:24

Right on cue:

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Two sources close to Trump told The Daily Beast how excited he was for his inauguration anniversary bash at Mar-a-Lago and privately vented frustrations that the potential failure to strike a deal could keep him from “my party,” as the president has said.

Trump Whines: Shutdown Fight Could Make Me Miss ‘My Party’

<a class="break-all" href="https://amp.thedailybeast.com/trump-whines-shutdown-fight-could-make-me-miss-my-party#click=t.co/EYmFvPaPpq" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.thedailybeast.com/trump-whines-shutdown-fight-could-make-me-miss-my-party#click=t.co/EYmFvPaPpq

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 04:42

This is a good (short!) thread about the different newspapers take on the shut down. It will come to no surprise to you which of the major newspapers is framing this as the democrats blocking the cr

mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/954569043134042112

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 05:01

Manu Raju
@mkraju
GOVERNMENT FUNDING HAS EXPIRED, prompting first shutdown since 2013.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 05:04

Happy trumpiversary! Angry

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 05:05

Sarah Sanders
@PressSec
Official White House statement on #SchumerShutdown

All Trump sees is green. All we see is a traitorous orange menace. Who is right? Place bets now!! (Trump continued)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 05:07

This won’t come as a surprise to any of you

Amanda Terkel
@aterkel
I talked to a bunch of federal employees today. For the most part, they say they’ve been left totally in the dark about the potential shutdown — very different from 2013: bit.ly/2DtXqPu

[...]A USDA employee told HuffPost he had to ask a human resources staffer about shutdown protocols. The answer he received was later contradicted by his boss.

Another USDA employee said that in 2011, when there were rumors of a shutdown, workers received emails with instructions on what to do. And in 2013, when it became clear there would indeed be a shutdown, there were even more detailed notices.

“This time there has been literally nothing,” the employee said. “No emails, meetings, posts to our internal bulletin board, not one thing.”

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 20/01/2018 05:20

Trump-state Dems introduce bill to withhold lawmaker pay during shutdown

thehill.com/homenews/senate/369829-trump-state-dems-introduce-bill-to-withhold-lawmaker-pay-during-shutdown?amp&__twitter_impression=true

lionheart · 20/01/2018 07:08

I really don't understand how a 'shutdown' is even a thing. Confused

Lweji · 20/01/2018 07:24

Yes, it's odd that there's no mechanism whereby if there's no new budget the old one just carries over.