What punishment would you expect for this behaviour?

[youarenotkiddingme]

Child A is known to 'pick on' child B.

Child B is a vulnerable student with autism and other LD.

Whilst using a school system which they access through phones Child A types in his username as

"Child B is autistic"

All this comes up on screen and teacher deleted.

Child A then retypes

"Child B autism boy"

Removed again and told it's not funny so Child A types

"Child B is a spastic"

He was then kicked off permanently.

What sort of punishment would you expect the child to have had?
Do you think the child should have been allowed a second go and then a third?

Honestly my focus isn't on the punishment. I was asking if I was BU to think they weren't taking it seriously enough.

I'm surprised you say about not being able to give information. Ds last school the DHT rang me one day and said "Forname - surname had a knife on his which he pulled out of his pocket and pointed towards ds in X class today. He was removed immediately and is being collected by his mum. He will be excluded for a further 2 days as a result of this". Other DHT also told me this child has ASD like DS and it was a result of this child having difficulties at home and they were working with the family.

They must have broken a hell of a lot of data rules if that's true

youarenotkiddingme

They did break the rules, if the other parent had found out and reported them the school would be in trouble.

youarenotkiddingme

They did break the rules, if the other parent had found out and reported them the school would be in trouble.

youarenotkiddingme

They did break the rules, if the other parent had found out and reported them the school would be in trouble.

youarenotkiddingme

They did break the rules, if the other parent had found out and reported them the school would be in trouble.

youarenotkiddingme

They did break the rules, if the other parent had found out and reported them the school would be in trouble.

apologies not sure what happened there with all the multiple posts.

Other DHT also told me this child has ASD like DS and it was a result of this child having difficulties at home and they were working with the family.

At this point they broke the rules of their own school data policy; that information is private and they've no right sharing it with anyone let alone another parent. However, do you think perhaps they shared so that you had a better understanding of the boys home life in the hopes it might guilt you into not pushing for a harsher discipline?

Did they break the rules? 😂😂😂

My MN was playing up for a bit so I expect it didn't register you'd posted until after you'd tried again and again and again

I doubt the other parents will care tbh! They got all the support and their child remains at the school. Ds got an unauthorised absence and basically forced into a managed move for being too anxious to return. Even though school knew I was taking to GP as ds attempted to set up taking his own life as a result of the incident.

The current school are actually really good and do deal with things. I get very anxious now about escalating issues because of the issues it caused in last school.
The other boy had been bullying ds and they didn't deal with it - played it down and suggested I moved ds if I didn't trust them to keep him safe. I believe this led to the escalated incident because it gave the bully power iyswim?

I tell ds to ignore what is said to him and report to his keyworker (which he does and she's brilliant) but whatever they are doing doesn't seem to be working either - but at least they admit it's happening and try.

Whoooo the comment about family life was made in sen tribunal to judge when he asked how come ds no longer attended their school. She basically said ds made an accusation and then said that.

In room was me, LA Rep, judge, Sen specialist, their note taker, ds senco from current setting and head of student services of that setting.

I don't remember her naming child at this point although we all knew apart from court staff.

I definitely need to put on my tiger Mum pants and say enough is enough though.

youarenotkiddingme

I remember your other posts and the other school was rubbish.

Nobody should have to worry about making a complaint to a school.

Some are much better at dealing with issues than others, the problem is that -even in schools that do deal with these things- the schools hands are tied and the amount of strategies that have to be tried and recorded is massive.

His current school are fantastic. They get him, are honest about his needs and put in the support when it's needed.

I think the issue is that I get a massive attack of anxiety about saying something because I want him remain here.
I'm realistic enough to know school can't gag children before they speak or stop them writing stuff before they do iyswim?

They've also been great the few times I've raised issues. I've just found I seem to need the support and confirmation of the MN massive before I get the confidence to act.

Sadly because of ds autism and other difficulties he's a natural target for any child who wants to pick on someone or "piss take" or "banter" because he's a safe bet not to win and make them look stupid iyswim?

I say fantastic in that when I've raised stuff with HOY he's aged and/or has reasonable conversation with me and explain why schools POV is different!

So far - afaik - these issues have been dealt with at keyworker and teacher level. I wanted to know if I was BU escalating it because it's not stopping.

It is one of the reasons that the HOY and Pastoral leaders are there.

I'd be tempted to get the police involved and log it as a hate crime too!

Don't expect much from the teachers if Child A has 'those sort of parents' though. I was having a quite coffee recently with a friend when a parent on an adjoining table got a phone call from their childs school about their behaviour. The amount of foul language they levelled loudly at the staff on the other end of the phone would make Gordon Ramsay himself blush.
Police won't be as easy to brush off.

SpringBlossom2018

The problem is that the police aren't always as interested as they should be, especially when it comes to school age children.

Well they emailed to say they don't get involved in school incidents when ds had a knife pulled on him - i doubt they'll get involved because of use of language.

I may well report it if he approached ds out of school though.

Ditto boney - police rarely get involved. Usually they just contact school and ask if it has been dealt with and leave it as that. Often they say there hasn't actually been an offence committed. Surprised about the knife though, id have thought that would be something they'd pick up! They would be interested if school confiscated a knife from a student.

That's because the school didn't follow its own policy and take statements from children involved.
Despite ds making statement to police at his own request when police spoke to school they stated ds confirmed the knife was never pulled but the student did have a knife which he handed over.
Nothing the school said matched what they originally told me or what ds said in his statement.
Despite this they even got away with not taking witness statements as apparently ds didn't want to. Even when I pointed out 2 weeks previously when this lad pinned ds to the wall and ds punched him they enforced them both to write statements so they could exclude them both.

It surprises me what schools can get away with. I honestly know current school is nothing like this and doesn't shy away from dealing with situations.

I just feel that disablism isn't treated as seriously as other types of isms. But I think that's not just at school.

This thread has really helped me get my thoughts together.

"Hate crime"? The child is 13 FFS. I'm not saying that this was in any way acceptable and it does need to be dealt with but what do you think is a fitting punishment OP. Are you after punitive or restorative justice?

Disabilism is a hate crime mail.
Following a child and calling him a 'spastic cunt' and mocking him taking his meds is ridiculous for a 13yr old. No excuses.

I just feel that disablism isn't treated as seriously as other types of isms
I think you are right unfortunately

It is a hate crime. Anyone disagreeing is enabling it to continue.

@Willow2017

As I said it was unacceptable and needs to be dealt with / stopped but I think it being recorded as such would distort crime figures and being dealt with as such is inappropriate for a child 'aggressor'.

I realise that being an "enabler" is an awful crime in current society but it's often used simply to shut up moderate opinions.

We hold different people to different standards and one of these factors (both morally and legally) is age.

Maybe if we start by ensuring young people do not think this is acceptable and realise it is a crime then we might have less of it going on in schools and the wider world in the future?