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to hope the Foreign Office don't waste any time on Laura Plummer...

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PiffleandWiffle · 26/12/2017 22:09

She was stupid enough to smuggle drugs into a country against their laws, got caught & got sentenced.

BBC Link

Cue the predictable wailing & cries of "it's not fair" from the family!

Personally, I'd rather the Foreign Office spent it's time trying to help people who are genuinely in trouble abroad rather than idiots drug smugglers....

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ohfortuna · 27/12/2017 14:40

Lawyer friend suggested she might be funding her trip by drug sales. If husband has been indiscreet with his network, there may well have been a jealous tip-off from a competitor
she may have made numerous trips bringing various controlled substances into Egypt, the 'husband' may actually just be the person she was working for

limitedperiodonly · 27/12/2017 14:41

Given that the woman has been in this long distance relationship with a man married to another woman for some time, surely the family must have seen trouble coming? Either they are all fools, or laura was warned and didn't listen. Eventually stupid has to be left to it.

Very wise.

makeourfuture · 27/12/2017 14:42

They will have their own series before the year is out and I foresee a bit of modelling. This will be milked for every cent.

I think that often in these situations we forget how much legal representation, travel, etc costs. Too it may be that the person has trouble subsequently finding employment.

Perhaps they then try and regain some financial self-sufficiency by promotion and entertainment?

ohfortuna · 27/12/2017 14:44

It’s a cancer drug for which there is no recreational market whatsoever, so not worried about carrying that one
just because a drug has no recreational use doesnt mean that it has no black market value, lots of pharma products can be bought on the black market

makeourfuture · 27/12/2017 14:44

she may have made numerous trips bringing various controlled substances into Egypt, the 'husband' may actually just be the person she was working for

I have just breezed through some stories on this situation, but I have not seen this stated.

Aragog · 27/12/2017 14:45

Re USA and cocodamol - I've taken my prescription cocodamol in several times along with other prescription only and controlled medication.

It's fine and I've never had an issue or be questioned at all. You need to have your medication in its original box or container and have the prescription details printed on the box including your name and dose. If not in original container you need a doctors bite or prescription, again highlighting your name and dose. You only take what you need plus a few days extra leeway incase of a delay. This is just incase they stop you and ask question you. You have prof they are yours, prescribed to you and legal for you to take them. However I have never once been asked.

nannybeach · 27/12/2017 14:48

Where was it stated the drugs were put into a paracetamol package, I cannot find that?

BulletFox · 27/12/2017 14:50

I thought more focus should have been made on how she got hold of them.

There was a thread on here recently where a poster wanted to buy valium online - think it got deleted - but I would have thought that was possible for this painkiller.

limitedperiodonly · 27/12/2017 14:53

I’m not “making any suggestions”. I said I’d SEEN suggestions.

So we should all continue to think you're are making it up Butchy until you provide evidence. It's not hard.

iklboo · 27/12/2017 14:57

I've already posted a link to the UK sentencing guides for supplying controlled drugs (Tramadol is class C).

ILoveTheEU · 27/12/2017 14:57

Where was it stated the drugs were put into a paracetamol package, I cannot find that?

It's on an arab news website that others were talking about. I ran it thru G-Translate but translation is clunky. b/c other media haven't repeated it, may be untrue.

ButchyRestingFace · 27/12/2017 14:59

So we should all continue to think you're are making it up Butchy until you provide evidence. It's not hard

Who is “we”? Is this the royal “we”? Hmm

Look, if you can’t be arsed to RTFT, that’s not my bad. The most recent suggestion I saw was on page 11, @ 11:25. I’m not going through the entire thread to note every instance for you. What did your last slave die from?

I suggest you read the thread yourself. Kinky, I know.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 27/12/2017 15:00

Yes she should have searched the counties laws, and perhaps I'm nieve, but I do believe it was done through stupidity rather than malice. Does her boyfriend not also need a kick up it some where along the line as well, after all it was him she was bringing them in for.

ButchyRestingFace · 27/12/2017 15:00

I’ve already posted a link to the UK sentencing guides for supplying controlled drugs (Tramadol is class C).

She’s too busy running her mouth off giving orders to check out your link.

RedDogsBeg · 27/12/2017 15:02

Here you go limited this is what Butchy is referring to:

Posted by Roussette at 09.01 today on this thread:

And this is UK law. Ignorance is really no excuse is it...

“Having tramadol that is not prescribed for you for your own use (called illegal possession) could result in up to two years in prison and/or an unlimited fine. While selling or giving tramadol away for free, even to friends (called supplying) could result in up to fourteen years in prison and/or an unlimited fine. “

Does that clarify things for you?

Branleuse · 27/12/2017 15:05

i feel sorry for her because it is going to be shit and I think a lot of these countries completely overreact about quite minor drugs offences, but then again, thems the rules and most people are quite aware of them. I really wouldnt be gleeful about a woman that hasnt actually hurt anyone having to spend three years in an egyption jail, even if she was stupid.

AuntieStella · 27/12/2017 15:06

"I think at some point our Foreign Office should ask for her to be transferred to the UK. But they won't because they don't care unless pressured"

There is a Prisoner Transfer Agreement in place with Egypt, mentioned in the FCO consular guidance booklet about arrest and conviction (version I found was dated 2016) but it says that those convicted of drugs offences are explicitly excluded from the scheme. Doesn't say why. So unless things have changed in the last couple of years, of the agreement can be renegotiated, it doesn't look as if there's much hope for her for transfer soon.

ButchyRestingFace · 27/12/2017 15:07

Here you go limited this is what Butchy is referring to:

Posted by Roussette at 09.01 today on this thread:

Does that clarify things for you?

There have been numerous references to the alleged sentencing powers on the thread.

I doubt it will “clarify” anything for Limited though. She seems to just want to issue orders and fling accusations about.

untoldstories · 27/12/2017 15:07

As a class c drug it's very unlikely anyone in this country would get a two year sentence for possession or even supplying, it's rare to get a custodial sentence for possession or supply of cannabis and that's been upped to a class B,
I would suggest the crucial words in ^^ are could result.
They are guidelines, it's not set in stone.

untoldstories · 27/12/2017 15:08

I should have added especially for a first offense which this most likely is.

ButchyRestingFace · 27/12/2017 15:11

I should have added especially for a first offense which this most likely is.

I’d be amazed if she was even charged in the UK after all the hoopla in Egypt. Being punished twice over seems excessively harsh, espesh after potentially 3 years in an Egyptian prison.

Roussette · 27/12/2017 15:12

Where was it stated the drugs were put into a paracetamol package, I cannot find that?

It was in a local newspaper.

Even obtaining the drugs in this country was an illegal act so how on god's earth she could think it was OK to pop it in her suitcase hidden in paracetemol packets, I do not know.

The thing is... there's enough publicity about how some countries view drugs, there is really no excuse. If her family are so concerned, why weren't they showing their concern beforehand with the weird relationship she had with a married egyptian man and they seem the sort of family to tell each other everything, they will have known about her collecting tramadol, are they all stupid enough not to think to warn her? (or perhaps they did)

If any of my DCs said they were taking pills to another country, I would be saying 'let that bloke get his own tablets, if he can't get hold of them in his home country, there's a reason'

untoldstories · 27/12/2017 15:16

Butchy I wasn't suggesting she would be charged in this country, I was saying it was unlikely anyone would have received a custodial sentence had they been found to have them in their possession in this country.

limitedperiodonly · 27/12/2017 15:17

Shall I correct that for you RedDogsBeg?

In the UK possession of Tramadol that is not prescribed could result in up to up to two years imprisonment. Supplying could result in a sentence of up to 14 years and an unlimited fine.

In most cases that is not going to happen. At the risk of being xenophobic, I think that UK drug policy has it right.

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