To wish the media would just for once name the fucking problem?

[IfyouseeRitaMoreno]

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/suspect-arrested-over-death-of-british-diplomat-rebecca-dykes-in-beirut

Another woman raped and murdered by a man.

Another day another dollar.

But the guardian says it “wasn’t politically motivated”.

Ok maybe not but it was motivated by hatred of women. If every news outlet consistently called these incidents what they are, gender based violence, and accompanied them with stats on rape then maybe people would start to join the dots and realise the enormity of this global problem.

Or maybe it wouldn’t make a jot of difference because people see VAW as inevitable.

It needs to keep being said.

Because once we talk about how this is a problem men have, not a problem women have, we can start a conversation about prevention rather than cure. We can stop talking about women's behaviour (what they wear, where they go, what sort of taxi they take and similar red herrings) and start talking about men's behaviour. There is obviously a problem with male socialisation. If any other demographic were this destructive, there would be all sorts of attempts to understand how they were being radicalised and to intervene.

We know how male supremacists are radicalised. Little boys are socialised into entitlement. They are allowed / encouraged to bully. They see their fathers exploiting and mistreating their mothers. They are bombarded with messages telling them that women are for sex and for housework. They are exposed to violent, dehumanising pornography. They are surrounded by the propaganda of rape culture and by the fact that as a culture we condone violence against women rather than punish it.

If misogyny were taken seriously as a hate crime, there's a lot we could do as a society about this radicalisation process.

They're also taught that when things aren't going well for them, anger is the appropriate emotion. Being sad or disappointed or anxious is weak and female. You can't cry or confide in someone; you have to go and inflict some damage.
Robert Webb has written about this in his new book.

Can we organise a mass march or something? To say we are fucking sick of this shit? Anti male violence, toxic masculinity and to make misogyny a hate crime?

I'd definitely be up for a march. How do we go about it? I've not got Facebook or Twitter or anything. I'm guessing that's a big part of it.

Male violence against women. If women were killing a fraction of the numbers that men kill, we'd be under curfew.
What do women have to fucking do to frame this problem in an 'acceptable' way?

Male violence is a problem men cause, that men choose to do even knowing its illegal, and that women suffer from as a result.
If men were robbing banks at this rate, how would society deal with it?

Nickynackynoodle posted a list of 94 women here, the death toll from 2016.
jeanhatchet.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/ride-for-murdered-women-2016.html?m=1

Yanbu

That list is just terrifying

As the constant trying to find fault with anything the woman has said it done in some attempt to explain why something happened or take the heat off the "poor man"

Sickening

It sickens me, the level of violence against women, by men the world over is horrific. If women attacked men in these numbers you can bet they wouldn't be allowed to own guns in America, would be under curfew here etc. We certainly wouldn't have the press writing stories about how we murdered our husband because we'd found out about his affair, punctuated with fluffy comments from neighbours talking about how lovely we were and how we must have just snapped because of the husbands actions.

The fact is, we're not valued as highly as men, it's why so many men get off with rape and domestic violence. What I don't understand is why we aren't valued as high, or even higher than men seeing as we're better members of society.

I would also question your assertion that it was motivated by a hatred for women-a disregard? Sure. But the nature of the murder as has been revealed so far would indicate that the prime motive was sexual.

I'm not sure that I agree. I think that rape is at least as much about power and humiliation as it is about sex.

If it was just about sex, wouldn't perpetrators just go off and have a wank, or visit a prostitute?

RestingGrinchFace
Men seem to have a greater likelihood of perpetrating sexual violence and women are more vulnerable to it. This is a result of women being the weaker sex. Not just physically"

"This is a result of women being the weaker sex."???

No, no, no!
This is as a result of men being sexual predators who prey on women and girls and who see it as merely a SPORT4MEN

This is as a result of men wanting to maul and tear into the flesh of women and girls.

This is as a result of men wanting to rape women and girls.

You know what turns most men on the most?
Seeing women and girls suffering.
The word rape is a trigger word that gets men sexually aroused and sexually excited, it's not a turn off for men, it's a turn on.!

Men calling women and girls, sluts & whores, is another turn on for men, it's makes men feel superior, smashing down the self confidence of the female to build up their own self image and self esteem.

Let us name the problem! and not flip flop around the walls trying to avoid it.?

This is as a result of men wanting to rape and having a mind to want to rape.
"This is as a result of men having those exact thoughts twirling around inside their heads"

"I think that rape is at least as much about power and humiliation as it is about sex."

That is why men exploit females who have become prostitutes and don't care how they became prostitutes and only care that prostitution does exists so they can maul and sexually abuse women and girls for SPORT?

What bothers me the most about male violence is that people are always so quick to remind us all of the "good men" out there.

The "good men" who would never themselves be violent to women and who condemn male violence as wrong when faced with a news article like this. And yet these "good men" take absolutely no practical actions to try and change their culture or stem this tide of male violence at all, even though as men it is their responsibility. And if a man they admire (like their favourite film director or best friend) is accused of violence/abuse against women, they will still do everything they can to twist things so the woman must be at fault, or minimise the man's responsibility and culpability.

This is actually the best women can expect from "good men". A stunning neutrality. It is heartbreaking.

The ride for murdered women list is sobering reading. I think if that information, and the violent nature of the murders and injuries sustained was shared more widely there would be more people waking up to the reality of the world we live in. Not many people I talk to are aware that two women are murdered a week in this country every year by men known to them, but statistics just wash over people, the descriptions of those women's last moments are heartbreaking and make it seem more real. It is shocking that these women are forgotten so quickly, and that the men responsible are allowed to 'justify' their actions and some walk free. It is horrible feeling so powerless to make changes in a world with so much risk to women, perpetrated by men who hold all the power. I genuinely fear for my daughter, she is growing up in a world that is so hostile to her based on her sex. I was very sheltered from this sort of discussion/topic as a teenager, my all girls school very much pushed the idea that feminism had achieved its goals and women could achieve anything and weren't disadvantaged by their sex anymore. I believed it despite seeing the reality was quite different outside of my privileged bubble. I think had I been made aware of how much men hate women, and the power and influence of the patriarchy, my life would have turned out very differently.

I believed it despite seeing the reality was quite different outside of my privileged bubble.

Yes, this is the lie we are told. That feminism's job is over and we should all STFU. I'll STFU when I can turn on the TV, see the happy smiling photo of a woman or girl and my immediate reaction isn't to think "oh god, I hope her death was quick".

I think the reports of the hideous crimes that have been committed against women in India have been telling. The context of the reports are always that misogyny in India is rife and that there is a huge amount to be done to protect women. But it's never linked to the hideous crimes that occur in UK and how more needs to be done here. Is it because we are supposed to be more civilised? Misogynistic crimes only occur in other parts of the world and we are immune to it?
I think that people are conditioned to it, and it can only be seen when it happens on a worse or larger scale somewhere else.

@Imstickingwiththisone
Yes those crimes are never linked.

It is how it is all worded to deflect attention away from a certain fact..it's worded like this in the media

"You women in the west aren't oppressed, you go to Saudi Arabia and see how THEY treat you there?"

When actually what they mean is

"You women in the west aren't oppressed, you go to Saudi Arabia and SEE how WE Men treat you there?"

This is what all these crimes have in common.