WIBU to move to Ireland to give birth

[DahlTheGalah]

So that my baby would be an Irish and therefore EU citizen?

It seems farfetched to me, but I'm half serious. I am still so sad about Brexit, and being pregnant is bringing it home more as I've had the most wonderful and enriching experiences studying, living and working in Europe and am sad my baby may well not have those opportunities in the same way.

Currently, babies born on the island of Ireland to British Nationals get Irish (and therefore EU) citizenship. I am not Irish, but British currently living in Britain, and would be just making use of this law.

Has anyone else thought of doing this for the same reasons, or actually gone ahead?

How U am I being?

Do the people who spouting contempt on Ireland's behalf have an issue with migration in its general sense?

Spouting?
Speaking for myself anyone can migrate where they like. If you can't properly name or identify the country you are moving to though, you probably shouldn't.

To me its no different to a Polish/ Indian/ Chinese/ Ghanian/ Korean/French/ Jamaican/ Pakistani/ Italian individual that fancies coming to the UK to work to save some money then see what happens, maybe stay maybe return. For argument sake lets say that this was at the time the £ was still a stronger currency.

So we should all just stay where we are then? Or more specifically where we were born?

Again, I agree with Vlad

The citizenship laws don't apply to both in the same way But regarding one specific scenario, a baby born to a British national in either of the two countries is entitled to Irish citizenship.

“There has always been huge pockets of Irish all over the world, they love emigrating!”

Umm, are you for real? You think the history of Irish emigration was because we love getting our passports stamped? And of course we were welcomed with open arms weren’t we? Genuinely shocked at that comment.

OP, if all you want is the passport/citizenship just do it.

The world has moved on somewhat and the argument about taxes, healthcare etc don't come in to it.

It's astonishing that not too long ago these views would have been treated with a great deal of scrutiny in fact even dismissed as hate-mongering. These days we can just say it. If you're not from XYZ a place don't even consider coming and if you're here already then get the fuck outta here.

That's not where we are right now but some of what has been said on here will serve to normalise those kinds of attitudes.

Op - why don't you move to the Republic of Ireland rather than NI if your family are in Dublin. As a UK citizen under the CTA you can move there without almost any restrictions and become resident immediately and are entitled to the same healthcare as anyone else living in the ROI.
If you stay, you can then become a citizen and get a passport once you have lived there for 5 of the previous 9 years as can your children.

What do you think you would learn about being Irish from moving to a different part of the UK?

Well, OP would be moving to a part of the UK where the vast majority of the population are Irish citizens, some exclusively. She hasn't talked about which area in NI she wants to live in, but she could feasibly be looking at somewhere offering Irish medium education, Irish sports and Irish cultural activities, and where the majority of people identify themselves as primarily Irish. So she might be expecting to learn about being Irish from living and participating in such a community. Personally I'd say that's quite a realistic and reasonable expectation.

She could equally of course be going to a loyalist estate in East Belfast (although my guess is not if she's got family in ROI...) but it's not like there isn't Irish life and culture to experience within NI.

a baby born to a British national in either of the two countries is entitled to Irish citizenship

No. You haven't read the links given, have you?

www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/citizenship-post-jan05

Well, OP would be moving to a part of the UK where the vast majority of the population are Irish citizens, some exclusively

By no means do a vast majority have Irish citizenship.

aaeg22 My family (cousins) have said I could stay with them in Dublin for a bit, and maybe I should consider it in the future. I spent six months there as a child and another two summers more recently, and absolutely loved it. But my current job qualification is more directly transferrable if I stay within the UK, and I need to find a new job quickly. Also I thought it would be easier and more ethical to stay within the NHS through pregnancy/childbirth.

NI is not majority Irish citizens!!

Why is it offensive to say there are huge pockets of N Irish all over the world? Especially London and in Paris when I lived there. In fact every single friend I had was N Irish in Paris. Just as there are Brits and Aussies and Indians etc? I can't move for Brits in Alicante for example. As I said, many of my friends at uni were from Belfast and then went to London. For really good jobs in the city or the top 100 legal firms.

I'm not talking potato famine here I'm talking about nobody in the present day objecting to Irish people in various places and why should people in NI object to the OP?

But you can try and pick a fight if you like, I'm not sure why.
I also won't join in.
This thread is now bordering on racism with the 'why should th N Irish want you there?'

Really unpleasant.

No. You haven't read the links given, have you?

Yes, I have.

What I said, though, was based on advice from my solicitor cousin in Dublin, and from the below website:

"A child born in the island of Ireland on or after 1 January 2005 is entitled to Irish citizenship if they have a British parent"

www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html

Why is it offensive to say there are huge pockets of N Irish all over the world?

It isn’t, which is why I didnt highlight that part of your post. It was the “they love to emigrate” which sticks in the gullet. Which you well know, and you know why. And no, you weren’t talking just about present day. You said “there has always been huge pockets of Irish all over the world” nor did you just reference N Irish people. Back pedal all you like, Your wide eyed faux innocence is fooling no-one.

dan Wholly agree. Bordering, verging about to catapult into racist territory.

I would bet my house and European citizenship, for that matter, that had the OP's thread been about moving to the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland why not even Timbuktu or Outer Mongolia the thread would have gone very differently in view of wanting to leave her partner and do the best she can for her baby.

The fact that she nailed her colours to the mast regarding it would primarily be for citizenship really sheds light on how polarised groups are becoming.
There are countless threads in which an OP is wondering whether to follow her spouse to far flung places - you could argue that in those instances financial provision would be made by the company but it works both ways.

One of my parents is half African, the absolute horror the English wrought on them is indescribable. Would I harangue an English friend of mine that fancied going on safari and maybe taking up a job in a conservation organisation or something over there? No.

What the hell is going on!? This type of rhetoric shouldn't be casual parlance in 2017!

It's astonishing that not too long ago these views would have been treated with a great deal of scrutiny in fact even dismissed as hate-mongering. These days we can just say it. If you're not from XYZ a place don't even consider coming and if you're here already then get the fuck outta here.

My response is not about hate-mongering and was in response to the OPs original AIBU which was that she wished to give birth in Ireland to give her PFB the possible benefits of EU citizenship ‘and would be just making use of this law’

I understand that the OP has elaborated in this and I do sympathise with her situation. However, there is a vast difference between travelling to Ireland to give birth so your PFB can have an Irish/EU passport and moving to live NI permanently.

Where's the evidence that NI isn't majority Irish citizens? Note that I didn't say exclusively. Someone having Irish citizenship doesn't make them not British. Virtually everyone born there is entitled to be Irish and very few formally renounce that right. You may also have noticed an uptake in NI folk choosing to avail themselves of their Irish citizenship rights post Brexit. Apparently they even ran out of Irish passport forms in Carrick! I lol'ed.

And yes, a baby born to a British citizen in either NI or ROI will be entitled to Irish citizenship at birth. This is pretty basic stuff.

It's quite something to see the entitlement of people who feel they can "shop around" for a national identity.

I was granted German citizenship last year

I didn't know I was entitled to it, but like many many other people, the morning after the referendum result I started googling ways of obtaining EU citizenship, and discovered that I was actually eligible for German citizenship

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/30/uk-descendants-of-jewish-refugees-seek-german-citizenship-after-brexit-vote

Descendants of the tens of thousands of German Jews who fled the Nazis and found refuge in Britain are making use of their legal right to become German citizens following the Brexit vote.
^
German authorities have reported a twentyfold increase in the number of restored citizenship applications - a right reserved for anybody who was persecuted on political, racial or religious grounds during the Nazi dictatorship, as well as, in many cases, their descendants.

About 400 applications from the UK are being processed by the authorities and 100 further inquiries that will “very probably” lead to applications are in the pipeline, it is understood. The usual annual figure is about 25.^

I am now a dual national and will apply for my German passport when I can be arsed to go and get my documents notarised and make an appointment at the embassy - damn right I want to keep my rights as an EU citizen if at all possible

Am I and the hundreds of British Jews who are also applying for their German citizenship as a result of Brexit similarly entitled?

My response is not about hate-mongering and was in response to the OPs original AIBU which was that she wished to give birth in Ireland to give her PFB the possible benefits of EU citizenship ‘and would be just making use of this law’

@JustHope Ok fine. So tell me, what's the problem with that?

It's quite something to see the entitlement of people who think their views about who's entitled to the nationality of a country are more important than those of the democratically elected governments of those countries.

I have been told to expect, at work, that anyone with a British passport (dual citizen or not) would not be on EU terms. Therefore for OP’s idea to work, the baby would just have to have an ROI passport and be subject to whatever policy the UK agrees with the EU for ROI. It is also expected that being a British passport holder will give a better chance at US/Canadian citizenship - many dual nationality British / Irish colleagues are giving up their Irish passports in preparation.

My opinion is to wait, before you do anything too drastic. I bet my last penny the EU will allow some kind of cheap visa that allows British citizens to travel as they wish - we are too important to EU economies.

What do you mean by not on EU terms and which country are you in? Because there are no proposals at all from any other EU country that nationals of member states who also hold British citizenship (or that of any other non-EU country) shouldn't be considered to have full EU free movement rights.

It is true that the UK Home Office took the view that dual nationals couldn't rely on their EU rights inside the UK, but that's not what OP was asking about. And they just lost that case anyway!

You could go to the north, say Belfast and have the baby there.. you would still be using NHS as you are entitled.
Because your baby is born on the island it can have Irish citizenship. You don't need to cross the border