To opt-out of organ donation

[Jamiek80]

I am currently on the organ donor list however if the government make it opt out instead of opt in I will choose to opt out. I have a few reasons firstly though I’m on the register I actually have no clue what is involved, What can be taken, how much is taken, what happens to my body and a whole load more questions. Secondly if opt out what will happen can they just take everything I mean it’s possible to transplant a head these days so why not just store whole bodies just in case? Thirdly would the government make it simple to opt-out? Finally if you start opt out technically the government owns your body post death at what point do they decide they can take your organs while you’re still alive? I’m not against organ donation as I said I’m on the register but perhaps a better approach would be more available information, I wouldn’t even know how to re-register these days!

Sometimes when I think about the infinitesimally small chance of me, as I know me, even being born to experience life, I remember that this body is just a collection of atoms fantastically arranged to function as a vehicle for me, the true me, which is my sense of me, which is hosted in my brain, but which others may think resides in their heart or constitutes their “soul”.

Whichever, I am certain that my body does not define me. I am much more than that, being a collection of experiences, feelings, opinions, preferences, thoughts, fears, loves and desires, and this collection of artfully arranged atoms that I am currently using, or borrowing from this earth, can go to someone else after I’ve finished with it, and I hope it will do someone some good. After all, it was never really mine in the truest sense anyway.

Yes, never mind, if you can';t even attempt to make sense, stop digging.

OP, your body your rules.

Would I donate organs? Upon my death not sure, I am not on the list yet, mentally it seems like you would get parted out like a car at a scrapyard. But then I would be dead so not like I would know about it.

Well you might hope you'd know nothing about it. This study seems to suggest otherwise. It'll be interesting to see if other research supports it

www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mind-works-after-death-consciousness-sam-parnia-nyu-langone-a8007101.html

If I hadn't already made my mind up about donating my organs years ago curry's posts would have turned me right off.

The emotional blackmail shit should not be a part of donating organs. No one should feel like they should do it, no one should think they are partly responsible for someone's death if they don't consent for them or others.

All this angst over ' my body doesnt belong to the gov and to stick two fingers up to them i will opt out of donating organs (and stick 2 fingers up to the people i could have helped at the same time)'

People who at present want to donate to help others live fuller lives would now rather thier body rotted away just to prove a point to 'the government' who wont even notice their deaths?

Wow. Twisted logic there. Make others suffer to 'get one over on the gov'. What rebels!

It's a misrepresentation of that research to suggest that organ donors may have residual awareness of what is happening: organ donors are (almost without exception) patients with irreversible brain damage - hence them being identified as possible organ donors.

If I hadn't already made my mind up about donating my organs years ago curry's posts would have turned me right off

In what way? Mine only pertain to people who want to donate being stopped, so why would that bother you in the slightest?

Blimey. Some people here would change their tune if their child needed an organ, I'm sure.

TammySwansonTwo

I am sure there is a family first mentality for some people. I will admit that I have thaught that way.

Wow. Twisted logic there. Make others suffer to 'get one over on the gov'. What rebels!

You understand twisted logic then, right?

yes, and that is a good example of it.

If you don't think "I would have given a dying person by heart no problem but this new tick box pissed me off so I won't" is twisted logic then there is something very wrong with yours.

In the grand scheme of things opt in or opt out makes very little difference, there seems to be no indication that NOK having final consent will change. What really needs to happen is for people to have these conversations with their families and make sure their wishes are known.
That said, I support a move to an opt out system. I struggle to understand how people currently on the register, and so presumably supportive of organ donation, can justify removing themselves of the system changes - suddenly helping people live after your death is less important than ‘sticking it to the man’?
Personally, I have a number of health conditions which mean I can’t donate blood and it’s unlikely they’d want want many of my organs, but they can take what they want. Sadly our lives have been touched by the topic recently, a friend’s child is on the list and is unlikely to receive an organ in time. So utterly heartbreaking and I think difficult to take any other view than wanting everyone to donate if they can once you’ve seen that.

Shold remain opt in.

Has anyone said they were doing it to "get one over on the government" on the thread, or perhaps have you misunderstood the point?

I'll give you the credit that the misunderstanding was deliberate in order to create a straw man, rather than stupidity on your part.

Yes they have. Or we wouldn't be arguing against that

Post an example, then. Put up or shut up.

The OP? And others? It's literally the actual point of the thread.

FFS, you really have to spoon feed some people!

Lots have said they would opt because they don't like the idea of the government dictating.

If that isn't 'sticking it to the man' not sure what is. Shame people potentially have to die whilst they do it tho

'The organs must still be working which only occurs with a sudden death.'

Yes, and even then, if you have had certain health conditions, including some forms of cancer, you may not be a suitable deceased donor. As for considering someone who elects not to donate, or who doesn't consent to it on behalf of their next of kin, complicit in the death of others ones, that is also a non sequitur because there's no guarantee that one's donated organs will be able to be transplanted.

Wrong, try again, curry.

Lots of people have expressed valid concerns in how this would be administered under an "opt out system".

It seems to be a common theme on threads curry is on that she picks up on what she thinks is the point and starts a fight in an empty room with it, picking on posters on a personal level. If only we had an ignore button.

I don't ever want to donate my organs or the organs of the people I love.... because I want us all to live forever in perfect health and use our organs ourselves. Now realistically, this will never happen, and therefore of course I can just hang onto my organs like my Grandma hangs onto her collection of decorative plates- never to be used- but that is incredibly selfish and ridiculous. What good is a rotten heart? Your loved ones don't benefit from it festering away in the ground or sitting in an urn on their coffee table.
YAB ridiculous to think that when someone dies they will just butcher the body and keep your organs in jars on a shelf for x amount of time then chuck them down the loo if they're not needed.
I know for a fact that my loved ones would much rather a part of me lived on in someone else than festered away in a hole.
Having said that, it would be hard to accept if my DHs hands were harvested, thinking his hands were touching someone else, that someone else could hold his hand.... except of course they're not longer 'his' as he has gone. The person who received them will be able to experience the wondering opportunity to hold his daughters hand, raise a glass with friends, sign his name, etc. I think that that is quite magical.

curry was the making sense comment aimed at me?

I am biased as I underwent a kidney transplant exactly 4 weeks ago. My lovely OH did not think twice about being my live donor.

When you spend most of the week on dialysis and the rest of the week exhausted and generally shit you will never realise what a difference an organ donation makes.

My son has his mum back! The last time he saw me this well he was 5yrs old. He is 16 now and boy do I feel guilty at not being able to do mum things with him.

If my OH had not donated I could have been looking at another 10 years due to rare blood group and other issues. I've never smoked, don't drink and intend to look after this kidney as much as I possibly can.

I feel changing the law can only be a positive move.

It seems to be a common theme on threads curry is on that she picks up on what she thinks is the point and starts a fight in an empty room with it, picking on posters on a personal level. If only we had an ignore button

Funny, because multiple posters are entirely agreeing with me. I guess you missed all of them, as well as the point of the thread?

And did you mean to be so rude?