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Would I be unreasonable to correct the teacher?

374 replies

Horthnangerabbey · 12/12/2017 17:17

It is a minor thing really but if the teacher had told the class something that you knew was wrong, would you tell her? Or would you just explain to your own child the correct info and keep quiet?

OP posts:
Domani · 14/12/2017 20:25

Maisy I really didn't want to converse again. But you have just blatantly lied. Is this how you treat your students and "those parents"? You wrote upthread, "they said they think teachers are quite horrible of late". When in fact, I wrote "i just wanted to say, i've noticed a lot of needling and hurtful posts coming from teachers lately". The following poster replied "I have noticed that too, Domani". Just setting the record straight and an apology seems to be in order?

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 20:34

Goodness, this is off topic. can we go back to discussing Jane Austen please?

As a completely irrelevant aside I found Walnut Whips with walnuts on top in Co Op today.

attempts distraction tactics

Domani · 14/12/2017 20:40

Thanks for that Piggy Grin Don't they usually have a walnut on top? or is this part of the cutbacks? Wink

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 20:41

No, they have ben taken off. It's been the topic of a few threads. Usually started by me as I am obsessed.

MaisyPops · 14/12/2017 20:43

Yes, but I wasn't replying to that other poster on that thread. I was replying to you.
The other poster doesn't reliably turn up regularly on education threads just to vent their chip on their shoulder (which is what I mentioned to you in that thread when I said it was predictable that when I saw your name, I just knew it would be teacher related). The thing is you didn't like it when that was pointed out.
You don't like teachers. When I pointed that out it suddenly became yes because this personal situation and I also hate social workers too. I accept you have reasons to be pissed off at that situation whilst still maintaining my original comment that it is really quiet silly to have a chip on your shoulder about an entire profession so much that you turn up just to have digs on threads when really a whole profession is rather a lot of people to be pissed off with.
Then you start playing the victim card, accusing me of stalking you and god knows what whilst threatening to report me.

Im all for heated discussion, but I've never had such a bizarre set of interactions with someone. Dish it out, but don't like being challenged. If I make an observation about your posts it's stalking but you can make observations about Pengggwn and that's obviously not. All very peculiar.

RoseWhiteTips · 14/12/2017 20:45

Dog with a bone.

MaisyPops · 14/12/2017 20:49

I was writing my reply so missed the walnut whip. 😀

I just don't really appreciate people dishing it out but not taking it, hence clarifying before it all gets even more odd.

Back to the original post, my thoughts are the same as they were earlier.
Worth raising in some way. Hardly worth kicking off about.
Teacher should be more prepared, but without knowing what's going on in the school we don't know if they are NQT/teaching out of specialism and so on so people making comments that are nasty and personal about the teacher are uncalled for.

RoseWhiteTips · 14/12/2017 20:49

Today 20:25 Domani

Maisy I really didn't want to converse again. But you have just blatantly lied. Is this how you treat your students and "those parents"? You wrote upthread, "they said they think teachers are quite horrible of late". When in fact, I wrote "i just wanted to say, i've noticed a lot of needling and hurtful posts coming from teachers lately". The following poster replied "I have noticed that too, Domani". Just setting the record straight and an apology seems to be in order?

Unlikely to be offered.

Domani · 14/12/2017 20:52

Here we go again! I didn't say I hated sw's! Stop telling lies, stop making a show of yourself and stop derailing the thread!

gillybeanz · 14/12/2017 20:54

It was a teacher insisting she was right and my dd was wrong that led her to leave the school.
It wasn't so much that the teacher was wrong but the fact she didn't like dd politely informing her that dd was right and she wouldn't accept the teacher was right.
It was a subject the teacher wasn't expected to be knowledgeable about and a basic understanding was all that was required.
It was the one subject where dd excels.

Calatonia · 14/12/2017 20:55

@curryforbreakfast
Sorry, yes, brain moving faster than fingers: what I meant was that in state schools in France there are very few Irish native speakers of English - that is to say people who would naturally call it a copy book: the majority of English speakers who teach in the French system are British with a token few other nationalities.
French teachers of English (most of whom have never set foot in Ireland) really should not be using the word "copy book" to their classes in this way and I would be very grateful to anyone who pointed this out to them.

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 20:58

maisy to be honest I dodn't think anyone has said anything personal or nasty about teachers on this thread...for a change.

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 20:58

scuse typo.

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 20:59

Why are they saying copy book out of interest??

lionheart · 14/12/2017 21:00

I remember that thread cat but the long Victorian doesn't really wash.

I have seen Jane Austen included on a teaching resource of 'Great Victorians', a download of suggested names for year 6 to choose from when writing their independent projects.

It also included Americans but I'll stop there. Grin

MaisyPops · 14/12/2017 21:03

domani
You came onto this thread and then opened your comment with a dig at me. That's YOUR action. Not mine. I was busy discussing the topic.

You could have accepted we disagreed on another thread and that would be that. A disagreement on another thread, nothing more. But you didn't. YOU came on here stirring shit by making comments that weren't needed about me. Not me.

And now you flounce around like someone who is hard done to. If you weren't stirring then why the hell come to this thread,, post to provoke a reaction then mope about when someone bites. It's just shit stirring.

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 21:04

Americans can be from the Victorian period at least though can't they?

MaisyPops · 14/12/2017 21:06

piggy
It was another thread, which is why I'm pissed off.

I really don't understand why having had a disagreement on another thread anyone would come to another thread (this one) & open their post making a dig at another poster other than to stir drama.

Most people on this thread have been alright. There was a bit where it was all about whether someone did/didn't say ignorant / suggest it's just common knowledge for all English teachers or not but meh, that's by the by.
If the teacher was out of specialism or new then the school should have done more to support them in their preparation in my opinion. Either the teacher (if experienced) or he school (if new or out of specialism) have tripped up here and it's not good for the kids.

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 21:10

Those genuinely interested might find this an engaging read:

www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/japeriod.html

OP, given your user name, I think you will like it (and could then send it on to the teacher as a 'gosh, look what I found!')

Piggywaspushed · 14/12/2017 21:11

That was me. I checked back I said 'it' (not the teacher) was a bit sloppy and 'pretty ignorant to be honest'

Roystonv · 14/12/2017 21:12

Me again sorry but a) the point I was making is that general knowledge should have rung the alarm bells not "extensive, contextual knowledge" and b) her training should have taught how to learn something new to be able to teach a subject she is poor in even if as suggested above York notes are used. If not able to then at least don't teach incorrect facts keep it simple.

MaisyPops · 14/12/2017 21:22

I get what you mean now 😀

Oh absolutely the teacher should know. York notes and the like are a fairly simple way to prep the basics of a text you're teaching.

The incorrect facts and keep it simple is pretty much what I tell trainees when they start out. Prepare well, but better to decide on a few key pieces of kknowledge than to end up misteaching something. Always better if unsure to say 'we'll come back to that next time'.

Did we find out if this was just something they said once (which case it could have been a simple error) or if it was a serious flaw in teaching e.g. Series of lessons getting to repeatedly wrong.

I had an embarrassing slip up when teaching Victorian literature. I was teaching Bronte and then one lesson the class started looking at me bewildered and confused. I stopped and asked why they were giving me weird looks. Apparently, having taught Jane Eyre for over a week in great depth, I'd spent the last couple of minutes calling her Jane Austin. Blush.
Thankfully, they knew I'd clearly just been absent midned as it was only a couple of minutes and we all had a laugh at my expense.

LooseAtTheSeams · 15/12/2017 08:05

Maisypops that kind of mistake is very easy to make! I'm guilty of adding 1 onto a year occasionally although I do catch myself doing it and correct it! A friend of mine used to get in a mess with a lecturer's name that was close to that of a Victorian author!
By the way, I've seen a few references to Long Victorian - it doesn't exist as far as I know. Long nineteenth century does because if you're an academic studying a particular topic you sometimes have to go back to very late eighteenth century or forward into the very early twentieth century - I know it annoys eighteenth century scholars and modernists alike and I don't remember who coined the phrase but it's used a lot by academics in that field.
American authors in the nineteenth century can't be 'Victorian'. Although I'm not so sure about Henry James. In many ways.

shockthemonkey · 15/12/2017 08:29

Who has a thumb only 1" long? Mine are 2½"!

Lapdance, the inch ^is based on the thumb, as the French translation suggests, but just the measurement between the last joint and the tip of the thumb, which for many people is^ around 1 inch.

OP, given the implications for your DC, I would take this further.

My kids were taught English in France, where teachers gave us delights such as: "Put on your baskets and your jogging, would you like to come footing with me?". (the French say "baskets" instead of sneakers/gym shoes, "jogging" instead of tracksuit bottoms, and "footing" instead of jogging. They sort of stole our words and use them incorrectly. Terribly confusing if you're English). I didn't ever complain because, unlike in the OP's case, being marked down never impacted my DCs academic qualifications in any way.

LakieLady · 15/12/2017 08:32

I'm a bit astonished that anyone can think of Austen as Victorian. The picture on fivers clearly shows her wearing a Regency dress.