Grenfell ex-residents should get a 3-bed house with a garden if that's what they want

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Daily mail outrage that some of the residents are asking for a 3-bed house with a garden. But honestly, they have been through a living hell that was caused by someone else's very bad choices.

There are plenty of people in London that have a 3 bed council house, why can't these people that have dealt with horrors get one also?

I know someone that got a council house in Highgate in the 80s, was a cabbie with a good wage, bought it when offered and sold it a few years ago for over a million and now lives in a fab place with loads of land and a pool in the south of France. If plenty of normal people got houses why can't these poor residents get one? They won't ever be able to afford to buy it due to the high cost of london houses now.

the council would of had bring the building up to a certain standard to get full market rent for it

Call me pedant, but the above continues to grate and it's not a one-off. Should be "would have had to bring .....

“Call me pedant“

I’ll call you a racist

But thanks for the correction, I didn’t spot it.

Ooooh, venomous, uneducated and a Marxist shit-stirrer masquerading as "concerned".

To be fair Apple, I would hold off correcting other people's spelling/grammar/autocorrect until you have your own sorted.
Usually I roll my eyes when people point out errors when it is not relevant to the thread, but you asked for that.

I was corrected first cathf 😀

ChakraLines

Uneducated!!! 😤😀

This thread has become really petty. It started as someone expressing their thoughts about the Grenfall ex residents getting houses with gardens. Somehow its turned into bigotry, racist rants about migrants. Oh and spelling errors.
This is about a real disaster that has impacted a whole community, many lives and should never have happened in the first place.
Of course the ex residents will be rehoused I into houses, who would want to live in flats after that??. That's the least that's deserved.
I believe that this is underway.

Making the thread into something completely different is really about your own values and prejudice.

Of course the ex residents will be rehoused I into houses, who would want to live in flats after that??.

High rise flats or flats in general? There's significantly more housing stock in both social and private rental that's in low rise flats than houses. Particularly in zone 1

If we want to increase house building in inner London then building good quality low rise flats of different sizes would presumably get more housing than if houses were built on the same footprint

A debate touches on many things - steers off course and then returns. That is the nature of discussion. As regards wanting to stay not only in the Borough but in the neighbourhood and wanting a council house - I cannot think of a single street in W10-W11-W2 that has houses at not less than £2 million.

I'm a West Londoner and know that area well. One friend has a private flat in Elgin Crescent and that property is over 5 storeys. The other half of the Crescent has houses comprising basement-ground-first but they fetch £3 million. Another friend lives in Dalmer Road W11 in a low-rise, purpose-built council block - but the flats have 2 bedrooms at the most and no garden.

The only option I can see is for the Council to buy a few of those tall 5-storey houses and improve on the conversion - but they are small inside and unsuitable for families. And the sole use of small garden is always reserved for the occupant living in the basement flat.

My suggestion would be to move a tiny bit to the White City/Shepherd's Bush area, which is in Hammersmith & Fulham Borough. There are houses with gardens there that could be purchased by RBK&C.

sorry, meant Walmer Rd tho' it doesn't make any difference!

The trouble is Chakra, a lot of people on here will not be interested in your post, because they do not want to face reality.
As soon as someone posts along the lines of yours, someone will come on and say how awful the fire was and how the displaced should get everything they want because they have suffered so much.
Then someone else says more houses should be built and the thread goes back round that particular circle!
As I said yonks ago, the choice Grenfell residents have now boils down to:

1. Stay in temporary accommodation at their own cost;
2. Accept the housing offered to them, even if it's not exactly what they want;

or 3. Move out of the borough. At the pmoment, they are preventing people who were on the list for housing before the fire from moving, and this is not right or fair. There needs to be time limits put in place now.

Idealists like em don't help. They fail to see that other people have frustrations and just scream "racist! Bigot!" if people don't agree with their woolly little dream worlds.

And it's never ever the ems of this world who are actually picking up the tab for everything.

This thread is quite nasty in its tone.

*As I said yonks ago, the choice Grenfell residents have now boils down to:

1. Stay in temporary accommodation at their own cost;
2. Accept the housing offered to them, even if it's not exactly what they want;

or 3. Move out of the borough.*

You know what? Your points can make sense and still paint you as a rather unpleasant person. It's your words and tone that matters a lot.

How is that nasty?

I picked the only part of your post that made sense.
See another example from the same post The trouble is Chakra, a lot of people on here will not be interested in your post, because they do not want to face reality.
I went back and read Chakra's posts. And quite a few others.
All of it left a bad taste in my mouth. There are ways of saying things. Starting a good post by agreeing with a rather racist-looking poster is not one of them.
Like I said, this thread has turned nasty.

At one point Chakra managed to come up with the idea that British born citizens should be given priority on all other citizens. Sorry if I picked the wrong name but I think it was chakra.

But that's not nasty Santa, it's just a different point of view to yours.
There are plenty of people who would agree with Chakra but the problem is the conversation is labelled as 'nasty' and shut down.

SantaClauseMightWork

There are ways of saying things

Santa, what way of saying cathf's opinion would you rather she used?

With all due respect cathf

Chakras comment
“To be brutally frank, losing a relative but gaining an unexpected ILR and a subsidised new flat would not be such a tough choice for some of the survivors, esp. if you come from a country where life is cheap”

Is pretty nasty

cathf I agree broadly with the 3 options you have given. It is undemocratic and unreasonable to expect rehousing of other eligibles to be suspended until further notice - even those who qualify on medical grounds. I wonder how many Grenfellers feel guilty about that?

There's cooperation and there is procrastination. A time limit should be suggested for those who are still not functioning well from the shock. Otherwise, to stop the rehousing of others is draconian and unfair.

At one point Chakra managed to come up with the idea that British born citizens should be given priority on all other citizens

Yes, that was me Santa. Under what theory is that not fair?

Who has taught you to dump on the British born citizens in favour of newcomers? This inculcation may well have begun during your school years - I know that there is a strong streak of Marxism within State education and it probably began in the early 70s. Everything and everyone at home is rotten to the core, but strangers are virtuous.

This is not critical thinking, this is brainwashing. In fact, it is racism to suggest that newcomers are more entitled than those born in this country.

There are plenty of people who would agree with Chakra but the problem is the conversation is labelled as 'nasty' and shut down

Unfortunately, when a question's been asked in any number of ways and there's still no sensible answer on offer, it's all too easy to bleat that someone's being nasty in an attempt at diversion

It happens on here all the time ...

I am very sympathetic to the Grenfell residents. However, it does seem that they are taking advantage of the situation by insisting on staying in a borough very few people could ever hope to afford. Social housing by its nature is limited and is offered at the discretion of the providers and most ordinary housing asociation residents probably get very little choice about what they are offered.

So, I would propose helping to re-house the legal tenants but not allowing them superior treatment to others waiting on the list. I too would like a 3 bed property in Chelsea but not going to happen in this lifetime and I will need to take something else.

It seems the only who’s been brainwashed here ChakraLines is you by The Daily Mail

Newcomers are no more entitled than anyone else