Grenfell ex-residents should get a 3-bed house with a garden if that's what they want

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Daily mail outrage that some of the residents are asking for a 3-bed house with a garden. But honestly, they have been through a living hell that was caused by someone else's very bad choices.

There are plenty of people in London that have a 3 bed council house, why can't these people that have dealt with horrors get one also?

I know someone that got a council house in Highgate in the 80s, was a cabbie with a good wage, bought it when offered and sold it a few years ago for over a million and now lives in a fab place with loads of land and a pool in the south of France. If plenty of normal people got houses why can't these poor residents get one? They won't ever be able to afford to buy it due to the high cost of london houses now.

Puzzledandpissedoff
... the council housing surplus (NOT TAX PAYERS MONEY)
Huh??!!! hmm

Don't worry, I tried to get Applebee7 to explain their council housing surplus maths before, and she can't explain it, she just keeps stating things about surplus and profits which make no rational sense at all.

Don't expect Applebee7 to explain herself. You should just rely on "local knowledge", from "local people" instead

Flowerpot123 - I thought it was Rebeccaslicker that asked me to explain 😬😬😬

It probably wouldn’t make sense if you hadn’t taken a look at the accounts,
Have a look then tell me what you don’t understand

£55 million payed in rents about about £40 million spent it’s really not that difficult

I am pretty sure I read EU immigrants mainly work, higher rates in work than UK citizens, and thus are contributing to the nation's coffers

We are back to the old Net Contributor or not argument, Nightshirt.
I'm afraid that is simply not so. EUs are working and paying Tax and NI, but the majority are on low wages - certainly not sufficient after tax to support a flat, fares, food, utilities, CTax, etc.

They, along with some Brits, are in receipt of in-work benefits and credits. In other words, their deductions are LESS than the advantages they receive from the taxpayer. We are in effect paying them in a roundabout way to have the opportunity to live & work in GB. There's no way a couple could afford to rent a one-bed flat in the Greater London area at approx. £1,500 plus utilities.

Rebeccaslicker - I thought you said you’d looked at the account but said that money shouldn’t be spent on the Grenfell victims ??? 👀

First you say £55m surplus. Now you're saying £55m collected and £40m spent. Pssst - that's not a £55m surplus. This is why people ask you for links. You chuck around facts and figures but are utterly unable to substantiate them.

No, that's not what I said. I said it should be spent fairly. I don't agree with your "every last penny should be spent on luxury homes for grenfell" attitude, no. I think it prioritises the few above everyone else. But of course some of the money should be spent on those who were there legally.

I didn’t say £55 million surplus ,

You haven’t looked at the accounts have you 😀

Bless you, you really do think you've read and understood them, don't you? I think that's even sadder than just typing endless shit on here.

www.rbkc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/atoms/files/Statement%20of%20Accounts%202016-17.pdf

Here is just one link (see how it's done?). Now use it to point to your figures, off you trot. We'll still be here in 75 years time when you've figured it out.

Here's another link where I suspect you actually got your figures: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/19/kensington-chelsea-council-has-274m-in-reserves-grenfell-tower-budget-surplus

Reading the guardian is not the same as reading the accounts for an entire council, love!

Haha you still haven’t read them,

You Don’t want to read anything that ruins your idea that you as a tax payer subsidise council tenants

It’s quite embarrassing 😬 ,

What your forgeting is if the council had spent the money where it should of been spent in the first place they wouldn’t have to be spending it now!

It’s not the Grenfell victims fault you cannot afford to live in west London anymore !

You said you’ve read the accounts but your posting links to newspaper articles

I'm afraid that is simply not so. EUs are working and paying Tax and NI, but the majority are on low wages - certainly not sufficient after tax to support a flat, fares, food, utilities, CTax, etc.

the problem isn't europeans. It's a screwed up economy where in work people can't pay rent. It doesn't matter to me if the people who aren't self sufficient are europeans or British.

Ahahahhaaa Applebee, bless your cottons and your attempt to be nasty. You'd fall off your little left wing cloud and if you saw where my flat is. We moved because it's a shit place to have kids.

Are you really too dim to open the links? The first one is just one of the reports from the COUNCIL on its ACCOUNTS. You know. The ones you claim to have read, analysed and understood 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

The second link is the newspaper link that exactly matches the figures YOU gave. Because that is what comes up instantly when you google the figures that YOU gave.

It's like talking to a toddler. Except that my 2 year old is better with numbers than you.

Are you being intentionally stupid Rebeccaslicker ??

Are you looking at the same numbers?

Are you getting your + & - mixed up ?

No evidence = no conversation, Applebee. You've had enough tolerance of your fantasies. Off you pop until you have some proof.

After all, it's not as if that business of yours seems to be keeping you busy, is it?

AND to repeat you ........

Are you going to answer my questions ?

I think your getting your argument a little mixed up

Nah. I asked you for links and proof pages ago. You clearly don't have it. You're not worth engaging with until you do. Byeee!

Oh and try and learn the difference between your and you're. Here's an easy link to explain it to you:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sLhCzSas07c

Clutching at straws now Rebeccaslicker

I’ve read several FOI requests not The Daily Mail, sorry 😐

Maybe find a thread about something you actually have knowledge of rather than just a bigoted opinion

See Ya 👋

Doesn’t the government in this case ( its a one off case) have a responsibility to make sure that this council has enough money to deal properly with the aftermath of this disaster?
I don't think it really matters what the actual budget is/was/should be, the council messed up & housed people in unsafe properties, leading to this horrendous incident, so it has to be their responsibility to deal with it. And properly this time

Whether the council 'messed up' or not has yet to be determined at an enquiry. Unfortunately for those with a certain agenda, it needs to be more scientific than something bad happened so the council must have messed up.
The council fitted panels that passed all safety rules and were used on lots of buildings throughout the world. How they were fitted may be an issue, but again, that is yet to be determined.
The government should give them money etc etc - that money tree again!

Battleaxe
Your name on here suits you. No actually I won't be ignoring posts - if you can't understand my posts its your problem, don't make it mine!
Your comment about it being cruel to temporarily house in 5* accommodation has undertones of biased assumptions.
Oh. And if you find this unreadable ask someone to explain it, rather than getting puffed up about it.

Inquiry

Cathf
This is the very problem though, this is a problem that has impacted in the most horrendous way to a whole community of people.
And it is not the case as far as I understand that the building was safe. They used the wrong type of materials, this is shown by a link earlier in this post. Its obvious that the wrong materials were used, the whole thing went up in flames. It was actually broadcast yesterday that the tower should not have been made from the materials it was, that has now been agreed. It has been ruled that these materials should not be used in the future.

In modern society money is normally the thing that is given in exchange for personal disaster that is not your fault, there is nothing unusual about this.

Whatever way you look at it, it is blatantly obvious where responsibility lies, yes it will be drawn out with enquiries etc etc, but one thing is certain, the victims were certainly not responsible for the disaster.

I believe that houses are now being bought for the victims as it has been reported today so it looks like the right thing is being done now

Thank goodness you are here to correct by typos, apple.
You may talk a load of shite but at least you know I should have said inquiry. Well done.
Now should I explain the difference between your and you're?