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DHs nieces being mean to my DD

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Hulashaker · 08/12/2017 18:47

Hoping for some general advice or words of experience here.

When my DD was 18 months old we were at a family gathering with my DH family. Two of his nieces (5/7) took my DD to play upstairs in a bedroom - fine. After about 10 minuets I popped upstairs to use the toilet, when I came out I could here some comments from 5 DN saying she's ruining the game, not playing in right I don't want to pay with her etc. I sat on the top step listening where I couldn't been seen, for only maybe a minute. Then they opened the bedroom door got my daughter to leave, couldn't see so don't know how and then shut her out of the room. This was at the top of a staircase which I considered quite dangerous as at that age they aren't the most stable on stairs alone, and she easily could have fallen. I picked her up and took her downstairs and played with her. I understand if they don't want to play with a child so much younger, however they insisted they wanted to take her upstairs to play. Anyway after that I haven't left my DD alone with them, which is exhausting at gatherings but that's not the issue.

So flash forward to my DD third birthday. We had a family party, as trying to save money before the official ones start. My MIL takes my daughter upstairs to play, totally fine no worries about this, then about 30 minutes later she comes back downstairs. So naturally I ask where my DD is, and ages upstairs with the same two nieces. So I go to check everything is ok, as I get to my stairs I hear my daughter crying saying stop it stop it, when I get in the room the elder niece on pinning her to the bed, but stops sharpishly when she hears me. I ask DD is she's ok and she says DN1 pushes me. So I have a little word and then leave. Unknown to them I go to my room and turn the monitor on, I have a video one, so I can see and hear what's happening. They start by ignoring her, gently shoving her, my DD seems to think it's a game at this point - she's only 3 so doesn't hear the meanness in their voices.

Then DN2 tells DN1 to get my DD rocking horse and put it on DD bed, literally an inch of the edge. They then pick my DD up to put her on the horse. At that point I go in tell them not to do that, it's not safe and remove my DD from their arms and put the horse on the floor and leave again. Then they start to moan saying they're going downstairs and lets just leave her here. When my DD tries to fallow them downstairs DN2 pushes her so hard my DD falls, she's pretty sturdy so this was some shove. My DD cried and my niece, who witnessed this got to my DD first and picked her up and took her away.

I have discussed with DH and he doesn't want to raise with his sisters - one niece from each sister, they're cousins not sisters. Which is fine, it's his family and he has agreed to be moe vigilant and jot leave DD alone with them again.

I just want to know why they are doing this, I can't seem to find any reason for why they do this at any opportunity they are alone. Can anyone shed any light that might make me understand this?

I am starting to feel really anxious about the Christmas family get together now, to the point that I'm having nightmares.

OP posts:
JediStoleMyBike · 08/12/2017 18:50

I have to be honest, I'm not sure a 5 and 7 year old are responsible enough to be minding your 18 month old, stairs or not?

Asthenia · 08/12/2017 18:53

This is heartbreaking to watch as an adult and even more so as a mother, but it sounds like pretty standard kid behaviour to me. I grew up with a big group of cousins and the older ones were all awful to the younger ones - something I still feel guilty about now. But 20 years on we’re all actually the best of friends. Your daughter will learn great coping/negotiating skills - if she’s really miserable then keep her away but i bet she’ll be really keen to play with them!

upperlimit · 08/12/2017 18:56

Yeah, it's unlikely a 5 and 7 to knew what they were taking on when they invited your dad to play and wouldn't know about the dangers of toddlers and stairs.

These kids won't have much experience of looking after three year olds either. They were being mean but that may be born out of frustration.

Easy solution is to stop ditching your dd onto these kids who are poorly qualified babysitters.

Belleoftheball8 · 08/12/2017 18:56

I would never in a million years leave my 19month old unattended with my dd who’s 5 and DS 9 upstairs tbh. At 5/6 they are not responsible for looking after such a young child and don’t understand danger they showed this when they shut her out near the stairs.

If your concerned why do you continue to leave them unattended.

upperlimit · 08/12/2017 18:56

Dad Grin DD!

Marcine · 08/12/2017 18:57

Bigger children are often mean to smaller children - probably to do with gaining a sense of power?

I think you need to take some responsibility here - 18 months is too young to play upstairs unsupervised, and if you know the older children are being unkind to your 3 year old you need to intervene straight away, not wait til she gets hurt.

Candlelight234 · 08/12/2017 18:59

Awww I have experience of older cousins locking my dd out of bedrooms becUse she was ruining the game - which I think is fairly typical 'older kid' behaviour, but nothing as mean or dangerous as what you have described.
I think you all just need to watch them like a hawk tbh.

Dozer · 08/12/2017 18:59

Aren’t they your nieces too?! (By marriage).

YWBU to leave an 18 mo unsupervised upstairs in someone else’s house with DC aged 5 and 7.

khajiit13 · 08/12/2017 18:59

They're just kids. They have proven they can't be trusted to look after you DD which isn't surprising so just stop leaving your child unattended with them. It won't be long until your DD is at an age where she will be able to deal with these issues herself

Everythingwillbeok · 08/12/2017 19:05

Sorry I totally disagree with the posts so far. Of course they bloody know at that age what's naughty/dangerous.
They fully intended to put your DD on the bed, and let her fall off. She could have been seriously injured.
They are bullies I would not give them the chance to be alone with your daughter this Christmas.
Please keep her with you and entertained with a new game / cards ect.

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 08/12/2017 19:05

Bigger children are often mean to smaller children

I disagree with the "often". A lot of older children can be really kind and caring with little ones. Some are mean and yes it's not nice to watch!

In your shoes I wouldn't leave my DD with these girls OP again. What do you expect will change?

NavyGold · 08/12/2017 19:05

5 & 7 too young etc etc but let's not ignore the fact that their behaviour at the ages of 8 and 10 are appalling. 8 and especially 10 is more than old enough to deal with being around a 3 year old better and they need to be spoken to. Pretty shitty of you husband to not stand up for your daughter by speaking to his sisters. I don't see why this should just be dismissed at older kids vs younger kids behaviour. At what point are these kids expected to face consequences for being mean to other kids?

Hermagsjesty · 08/12/2017 19:07

I can understand why you found it upsetting but I would try not to take it personally. Kids do behave like this - it’s part of them learning social skills. Keep your DD safe by making sure she isn’t alone out of sight/ ear shot with her cousins (TBH I don’t leave my DS (3) alone with my DD and my niece (both 6) because even though my DD and adores him and is usually a very loving big sister a group of 3 is hard for kids to manage esp when one is younger - there’s often conflicts and frustrations). Talk to your DD about how it made her feel when her cousins are bossy/ rough or whatever so she knows you’re there for her if she’s worried/ upset. Teach her to say no firmly if she doesn’t like a game. Role play social situations where one teddy is being mean to another or whatever with her toys so she can practice what to say in difficult situations. Read stories to her about being kind/ friends that fall out etc etc so she sees this behaviour and starts to work out how to negotiate it. It’s all part of learning and growing up.

Witchend · 08/12/2017 19:07

It's not a good age gap because they're too young/close in age to be responsible and mother her, and too old/far in age to play with her as a contemporary.

NavyGold · 08/12/2017 19:07

There is a similar age gap between my DD and my niece & nephews. They have always been capable of exercising patience and being caring towards her. Kids that are allowed to get away with this behaviour are bullies and will grow up continuing to be bullies.

Hermagsjesty · 08/12/2017 19:10

They’re not 8 and 10 now are they though Navy? If they were 5 and 7 then they can only be 7 and 9 at the oldest now, surely? Of course they shouldn’t be being mean but I don’t think it’s still quite young for some kids to be emotionally mature enough to be kind to a 3yr old.

Hermagsjesty · 08/12/2017 19:11

*sorry I meant to say - I don’t think they’re necessarily bullies

confusedlittleone · 08/12/2017 19:11

@NavyGold the dd was already 1.5 at the age of the first incident so the dn wouldn't be 8 and 10

Hulashaker · 08/12/2017 19:12

I agree my DD should not be with them however my DH and his entire family made me feel like I was being ridiculous by not being happy about it in the first place as they did it all the time with the children - my DD is the youngest of 7 so it's happened repeatedly- so I let her go with them and stayed close so I could hear if she cried. This is my first child and I'm not sure if I'm over reacting to things or being reasonable when they gang up on me and I'm the only opposing opinion

I feel ganged up on by them as I'm very different to them. For example they think nothing of letting a 7 and 9 nieces go to get food at a very busy bonfire/fireworks display - we couldn't even see them through the darkness and people

OP posts:
NavyGold · 08/12/2017 19:13

Sorry, re-read the OP and got the ages muddled up. It's not far off though and everything I said still stands. They are old enough to not have their behaviour excused. It's mean, plain and simple.
Incidentally, I wonder if their mothers would have been happy for them to be treated the same way when they were the OPs DDs age because it's "part of growing up"?

Hermagsjesty · 08/12/2017 19:16

Hula - I understand where you’re coming from with that. At my Brother in Laws wedding my Sister in Laws family were letting thier 3yo and 7yo wander the hotel free range and thought I was crazy for not letting my 3yo and then 5yo do the same. It was booked for the private party so there was no stranger danger but still - as far as I was concerned - way too many hazards to let my kids out of sight. It can be awkward but don’t let them make you feel silly. Only let your DD do what you feel is safe.

Creambun2 · 08/12/2017 19:24

I bet they bully in school too.

holidayqueriwifi · 08/12/2017 19:27

*Bigger children are often mean to smaller children

I disagree with the "often". A lot of older children can be really kind and caring with little ones. Some are mean and yes it's not nice to watch!*

I agree with this pp too, bigger children IME are not usually mean to smaller children.
My DC have been treasured and played with really kindly by older children of similar ages.

Missingstreetlife · 08/12/2017 19:29

How will you feel when they play dr and nurse with her as the patient? Until she can say no you should protect her

JadeT2 · 08/12/2017 19:31

That sounds horrible. I overheard my nephew and stepdaughter (both 8) being really spiteful and nasty to my 2 year old nephew at a family gathering when they thought I couldn't hear them. I lost my cool with them as the things they said were just awful. There was a bit of a "gang" mentality with them there I think, which is probably what happened in this instance. But they absolutely need to be told it's unacceptable or they will turn into bullies.

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