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Original poster

to despair of Trump's actions over Jerusalem.

45 replies

CommonSenseFailed · 06/12/2017 19:06

He has blatantly carried out something that was unnecessary but will de-stabilise the Middle East.

What was there to gain from this except more misery for the Palestinians.

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honeysucklejasmine · 06/12/2017 19:07

I dunno, will be good for weapons manufacturers too. Sad

OhYouBadBadKitten · 06/12/2017 19:14

YANBU.
It’s absolutely beyond incredibly awful. An Israeli spokesperson just said on the news that meant that illegal settlements would no long be legal.

BossyBitch · 06/12/2017 19:17

What was there to gain from this except more misery for the Palestinians.

His 'debt' to his backer Adelson being settled and his rabid apocalyptically minded fringe evangelical domestic base being satisfied, actually.

I think the emerging consensus is actually that he's throwing decades of foreign policy under the bus in favour of a short-term domestic advantage.

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CommonSenseFailed · 06/12/2017 19:40

Why would Israel even consider a 2 state solution now that they have it all?

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Julie8008 · 06/12/2017 19:43

He did campaign on this, and Americans did vote for him. So dont shoot the messenger.

Adviceplease360 · 06/12/2017 19:45

Utterly horrifying. I don't want to think about whats going to happen to those poor Palestinians

OhYouBadBadKitten · 06/12/2017 19:54

Shoot the messenger?! he didn’t have to campaign on this.

Otterturk · 06/12/2017 20:21

Regardless of the ethics, why is anyone surprised that America is now supporting one of their allies and the only stable democracy in the Middle East?

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CommonSenseFailed · 06/12/2017 20:37

The only stable democracy that's built on the back of throwing people out of their own homes. Yes the stable democracy specialises in making palestinian lives an utter misery. That is how it stabilizes itself.

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Kursk · 06/12/2017 20:40

Regardless of the ethics, why is anyone surprised that America is now supporting one of their allies and the only stable democracy in the Middle East?

Very true. But this has been America’s stance for the last 40 years. Just not spoken publicly until now

Andrewofgg · 06/12/2017 20:43

In itself it's not going to harm the Palestinians but it's such a bloody gesture. He can go on supporting the only democratic State in the region with the US Embassy still in Tel Aviv.

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CommonSenseFailed · 06/12/2017 20:45

Regardless of the ethics

of course those are the words of a true rabid supporter, void of any moral compass. Anything to further the goal of further land grab and somehow declare it legal with the backing of a powerful bully.

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SparklingSnowfall · 06/12/2017 20:47

Utterly ridiculous, YANBU

Otterturk · 06/12/2017 22:02

Errr common sense - don't make assumptions. I'm not a supporter. I'm making a point.

People do realise that Palestine launches bombs at Israel non-stop? I have little sympathy for Hamas and co.

Entirely separately - what is with that part of the world and bloody flag burning?!

Sausagema · 06/12/2017 22:23

It's Mike Pence looming behind him in the pictures, smirking menacingly that really gives me chill. Trump is a dangerous man, but an idiot. Pence however, strikes me as truly evil.

In other news, DT had obviously been topping up his sun bed tan

DiegoMadonna · 06/12/2017 22:27

This needs to be seen as another step in the US's march toward making itself irrelevant on the global landscape.

It's only a bloody gesture if we continue actually giving the US any credit and valuing their input. Which we don't, or soon won't, tbh.

McTufty · 06/12/2017 22:28

It’s madness. I despise Hamas too but that’s a separate issue. This is just counter productive and makes the possibility of peace ever more remote. It is a provocation to Muslim people the world over, not just the Palestinians (not all of whom are Muslim obviously).

I have long doubted that this Israeli government has any intention of considering a two state solution anyway though.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 06/12/2017 22:31

Distraction. It's working well for him.

TooManyPaws · 06/12/2017 22:31

Frankly, if the next door country constantly threw people out of their homes in my country, locked up children in jail for years before throwing them into a military court, took our land, refused to let ambulances through checkpoints, made it anybody's guess whether I'd be allowed to get to work any given day, took half our land illegally and refused to let medical aid and food through to our besieged country, cut off power to hospitals so that children died in their incubators, bombed schools, killed children playing on the beach for fun, etc, I'd be popping bombs at them too. I grew up in the Middle East and there's a hell of a lot of stories that don't make the western media. There's also a large Jewish anti-Israel movement growing in the USA and elsewhere thanks to all that.

Sugarcoma · 06/12/2017 22:32

YANBU. Jerusalem has always been the capital of Israel - all Trump did is what dozens of Presidents since Truman promised to do and didn’t, which was recognize it.

I absolutely hate these threads full of bullshit opinions from people who literally know nothing about the region or it’s history.

The Palestinians have never even had a claim to Jerusalem - before 1989 it was split between Israeli and Jordan rule. In 1989 Jordan basically cut ties with the region and left it to its own devices.

A 2 state solution would never have included Jerusalem for the Palestinians. It is the holiest place in Judaism - all Jews pray towards it in synagogues.

Muslims pray to Mecca. Jerusalem isn’t even their second most holiest site.

Read a bloody history book before spouting this typical anti Israel bs.

Sugarcoma · 06/12/2017 22:33

Obviously I meant to put YABU but was rage-typing.

McTufty · 06/12/2017 22:38

Well it hasn’t always been the capital of Israel as prior to 1948 Israel hadn’t existed for quite some time.

I’m not Jewish or Muslim, but I am well aware of how sacred Jerusalem is to both religions. If you cannot understand why Jerusalem is important to Muslims as well as Jews, then you are either ignorant as to the religious position or bigoted enough to think one religion should take priority over another.

McTufty · 06/12/2017 22:40

Incidentally my views would be the same if Trump had (hypothetically obviously) come out and said Jerusalem should be the capital of a Palestinian state. That would be incredibly disrespectful and unfair on Israel, and Jews around the world.

LEMtheoriginal · 06/12/2017 22:40

I don't even pretend to understand the situation in Israel but what the actual fuck has it got to do with that cunt anyway?

Why the he'll can't he meet with an unfortunate accident is beyond me

vestedintern · 06/12/2017 22:41

In June this year, the US Senate passed a bill 90-0 (i.e. unanimously) recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The US passed an act in 1995 requiring the US Embassy to be moved to Jerusalem. Every president since has deferred it (including Trump, so far)

There is much to criticise about Mr Trump, but actually enacting stuff that the elected representatives have decided on seems like it might be a quality rather than a fault.