To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

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MN hates Brexit, the tories, pink toys, violent video games... you get the idea. But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit female vote was about 50/50. So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed?

Education does NOT equate with emotional intelligence. You need emotional intelligence to make decisions in a way that doesn't solely benefit yourself. Rational

Some nasty people have excellent emotional intelligence. It's why they are so good at manipulating people for their own gain.

"But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit"

Yes they fucking do. And more women on MN voted leave.

Liberal
Willing to accept behaviour and opinions different from one's own;
Open to new ideas.

MN is certainly not liberal. The intolerance here for those who do things differently is breath taking. See any thread on anything to do with religion, childbirth, marriage, infant feeding, SAHMs, weddings and Christmas. Never mind Brexit and Trans issues. I don't bother going on most of the party political threads

Since when have left wing/liberals hated violent video games?! hahaha

Aibu at least is incredibly intolerant especially about trans issues and brexit, no wonder the fucking daily mail mines it for stories

in real life birds of a feather flock together. So people wring their hands at their relatives views quite often on here , we can however pick our friends so saying in my circles everyone believes xy and never likes z makes perfect sense.

Dont forget virtue signalling. Someone may write a great argument supporting an issue, do they mean it truly? We have no idea whatsoever.

I have seen vocal left wingers and vocal right wingers on here. And some centrists too!

I agree with the pp who said that if you're right wing you tend to notice the left wing posts snd if you're left wing you notice the right wing ones.

I'm left wing and find MN quite right wing. I do think there are a few shouty/domineering posters from.both sides who can dominate the debates

Also MN is certainly very middle class and London centric.

Yep to the confirmation bias. Same as right wing think the BBC gives too much time to left wing and vice versa.
Personally I feel it's a big mix of left & right wing but some hideous views (on both sides) seem to be getting more entrenched.

Because the Tories are ramping up our debt, choking the life out of the economy and causing great suffering with their ideological hatred of the poor, sick and disabled.

And sending us over the NoPlan Tory Brexit Cliff.

IMO it’s moved to the right since it started.

However I seem to remember surveys showed it had a higher number of graduates than competitors which would explain the more liberal views.

People are confused on this thread about what left and right wing means.

Latterly I have found MN to be very conformist, which for me means right wing, so many unirinic threads on hubbies, style tips, diet advice. The critical attitude is gone, and so for me that shifts it to the right, even if the snarkies weren't left wing as such. At least they were rebellious.

Unironic, dammit.

I find MN very right wing and intolerant. There's a huge number of people who claim to hate the Daily Mail yet have an intimate knowledge of its contents.

What Anatidae said and lots of other people about stats and confirmation bias etc. I don't think MN is especially left wing, there are threads to suit lots of interests. I mean, how political can you be about baby names? I do a lot of reading without posting (lurking?) and doubt I'm alone. There are threads that were interesting to start with, but now I just ignore because I know there are a bunch of people on them who are preaching to their choir and there isn't much debate.
Loving all the stuff this thread has brought up (well done, Noblegiraffe). LMAO at the poster who thinks you have to pretend to be left wing to get a good degree. I did economics and it actually made me less left wing (and almost as depressed about Corbyn as I am about Brexit). Still progressive though. Liberal, too, but you can be liberal small l and vote Tory.

All the "Right Wingers" are at work being capitalist pigs & don't have time to faff around on here moaning about their neighbours/MILs/Toilets.

All the Lefties are sat around in their pants, with nothing else to do apart from post on MN once their hordes of kids are asleep/at school/eating lentils....

I find MN very right wing and intolerant. There's a huge number of people who claim to hate the Daily Mail yet have an intimate knowledge of its contents.
Its the lefty/ liberals reading it so they can virtue signal to their friends how wonderful they are because they noticed something racist/sexist or whatever "ist"
They are just as unpleasant and judgemental as the people they criticize

Noticed a lot of people assuming brexit voters are less educated but wanted to add that those who have had less education are more likely to be living in socially deprived areas. These areas are more affected by immigration, and are more likely to see the effects and stretches on services. The more "educated" living in their nice houses in lovely areas don't get to see this and can't see what the problem is.
As someone said less educated doesn't mean less intelligent and universities I believe do have a left wing bias, although less applicable to science subjects than social sciences.

Uncontrolled immigration disproportionately affects poorer areas.
Don't think brexit is a good measure of left wing, right wing though. Even corbyn has had some Euro sceptic views

AIBU To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

'Cuz we're grown ups.

People tend towards more 'extreme' views in their earlier years, when they are at their most sheltered.

It's only very rarely that people fail to move beyond the socio-economic bubble that they grew up in.

Those that do 'get out' and see more of the world, make mistakes, see consequences of their actions, see other people struggling and how they got there, tend to alter their world view and their viewpoints change.

Women are stuck with childcare the vast majority of the time. Doing it, organising it and paying for it.

Women tend to end up caring for elderly and disabled relatives. Doing it, organising it and paying for it.

The right wing tend to make noises about "family" without making it easier to do any of the caring, organising or paying for it.

Those living and working alongside the underpaid/unpaid carers, the elderly and disabled can see the effects of tax cuts, austerity and are unable to marry the rhetoric of the right wing politicians to the reality of the unrelenting, morale trashing drudgery of the reality.

Respite care? Sorry, cuts.
Elderly luncheon club? Only twice a week, not every day which would be useful.

And so on.

gingernaut

Bang on. All the big society stuff is basically shifting the caring and care burden onto women. Low paid women doing it as a job and women doing it unpaid in the home.

Plus of course going out to work and taking care of he kids and house.

It’s a feminist issue.

I consider myself right wing but I do not like the conservatives, I like labour even less though.
I don't feel like the torys are conserving anything, they're just labour lite.
Yes the right are supposed to be pro family but I see very little evidence of this in their policy.
I think labours plan to just throw money at everything would be a disaster.