To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

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MN hates Brexit, the tories, pink toys, violent video games... you get the idea. But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit female vote was about 50/50. So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed?

I agree with user14... about the labelling. Calling each other names to shut down debate is really getting on my nerves.
I’ve been called a libtard and a socialist as an insult because of a view I’ve expressed, just because the other person couldn’t understand my point. (And I’m probably just left if centre)
The intolerance of each other is damaging society mire and more.

I'd happily pay a few hundred pounds extra in tax each month, and I'm not a high earner by any stretch

It's a highly commendable stance that you have, and is often said in threads such as this, but there was uproar when labour indicated £75k as being rich and being a target for tax rises.

I'm not suggesting you are guilty of this but there is a lot of virtue signalling involved with these types of posts, many posters have said the same in the past, who could 'easily pay more in tax' as they are high earners, evil Tories etc.

The reduction in WTC and the 75k was the recent 2 big meltdowns on MN that involved a staggering amount of hypocrisy from many users.

lurker my three-yearly salary is 75k

I've been called a libtard and a socialist as an insult because of a view I’ve expressed, just because the other person couldn’t understand my point

Was that before or after you told someone to get their views outside of the daily mail?

You have called me alt-right on one thread, because I had a differing opinion.

It wasn't me that called you a libtard or socialist though.

I think you have me confused as I’ve done neither of those things.

I was just thinking about this post:

if only there were more haters on here shitting on immigrants...........shudder.

Go check out how Sweden a "humanitarian superpower" is doing. I mean actually do a little bit of research, might give you something to actually shudder about.

I was called a libtard and socialist in real life, not here.
I’m just commenting on what I’m personally experiencing and seeing in real life and here. The intolerance and aggression is really depressing.

Noticed a lot of people assuming brexit voters are less educated but wanted to add that those who have had less education are more likely to be living in socially deprived areas. These areas are more affected by immigration, and are more likely to see the effects and stretches on services. The more "educated" living in their nice houses in lovely areas don't get to see this and can't see what the problem is.

This sounds plausible, but if you look at the statistical anaylsis I linked to upthread, in areas where education level is equal, higher socio-economic status actually was linked with a higher tendency to vote Leave. It's about education level, not money.

I live in a wealthy smallish town in south east full of old money, privately educated youngsters, high income commuters working in London as well as many average income folks. Not a lot of immigrants. The area voted overwhelmingly to leave. Many young people said they voted leave. I still don't know what to make of it.

I live in a wealthy smallish town in south east full of old money, privately educated youngsters, high income commuters working in London as well as many average income folks. Not a lot of immigrants. The area voted overwhelmingly to leave. Many young people said they voted leave. I still don't know what to make of it.

They were most likely copying the votes of their parents .
Such towns are very likely to have a large number of 'self made' families where parents although 'wealthy' probably didn't have the greatest educations.

The kids despite having Private educations (ponies etal) when growing up are likely to come to the same conclusion as their self made 'millionaire' parents.

I think it's pretty mixed to be fair. The left came out in force over their love of Corbyn but other than that pretty mixed.

But what do I know I'm just an old, right wing uneducated Brexit voter (am actually a 38 yr old post grad but that doesn't fit the stereotype does it?)

You don't personally need to fit the stereotype for the stereotype to be statistically true. I know people with masters degrees who voted for Brexit and people who left school at 16 who voted to remain. That doesn't alter the statistical correlation.

My mum's 82 and she voted to remain, but that doesn't change the fact that most people in her age group voted to leave.

LiveLifeWithPassion: I believe that intolerance is damaging us.

I am guilty of it nowadays. Is it the social media situation of not having to maintain relationships? Which is frankly the priority in real life!

I’ve noticed that all the intolerance is being pushed through by vocal people from all groups. They’re intolerant of others but want others to tolerate them.
There are those who are far right and intolerant of everyone but especially Muslims, the Muslims who are intolerant of everyone who don’t subscribe to their particular form of Islam, the far left who claim everyone else is uneducated and selfish etc. You get the idea.
Then the people like me who think that tolerance from everyone is the only way that society can move forward, get called names and told they live in cloud cuckoo land.
At the moment, we re just going backwards and people are angry, unhappy and stressed and blaming others for it.

There are exceptions to every stereotype- that's rather the point!

LiveLife- do you think tolerance should be extended to everyone and every belief?

Tolerance exists within a framework of the law of the land.
So do we tolerate religion? Yes as long as it doesn’t impinge on the public sphere - so for example you may believe whatever you like. But if the actions associated with that belief are illegal then that specific action should be prosecuted.

I’ve said this before on here but there is a massive difference between protecting people who hold a religious belief against discrimination and criticism of the religion itself.
Discrimination against a person because they hold a religion is illegal.
Criticism of an ideology is not wrong.

Bertrand - yes, why not? As long as everyone is law abiding and tolerant of others. People would just tick along nicely in my fantasy world.

The divisions are felt so strongly at the moment. Hatred is rife and acceptable. I don’t know what benefit division brings?

Well put Anatide..

Hatred is rife Where, amongst whom, towards whom?

I used to identify as Labour and voted labour religiously for many years DF was life long Labour Supporter and looking back in some ways, that along with education - always being told to read the Guardian etc pushed me left. Then after University and a few other things I became more of a swing voter. Something started to alarm me as time went on - and didnt make sense in the Labour party. Esp of course the contempt which Brown showed people and that patronizing way Blair spoke to us.
Mn however has showed me the dark under belly of left wing supporters. Its really showed me a different side of things and I find the most sneery intolerant posters, who have closed mind posts are in fact the ones who identify time and time again as socialist or Labour. Its terrifying and its magnified by the main party now. Its all out in the open, other people saw it too and feel the same way as me.

Crackedhips I hear hatred everywhere. In the news, on the radio, in person. People hate immigrants, they hate people on benefits, they hate bankers and those who work in the city, I could go on but I’m sure I don’t need to.

Intolerance is acceptable now.
I thought we were heading towards a more tolerant society a few years ago but things have taken a totally different direction.

I think on social media and in the msm polarised overreaction,if not genuine hatred, has become the norm.

The worst example for me was when my young niece berated my mil for voting Brexit. Honestly it was a shocking low in family life. But she felt entirely justified and it was imho encouraged by the febrile social and mainstream media meltdown occuring in her echo chamber. Also encouraged long term by the notion that venting your opinion (however injudiciously) is always a good thing.

I'd been online but also doing my normal exploration of the opinions of people I know. Though I was surprised leave won I knew leavers to be people who are just like me. Not a bunch of "others" who are wrong. It's ironic that she's been educated in the era of careful non "othering" yet at the slightest stress resorted to precisely that!

I am not saying we never give an opinion for fear of giving offence: far from it but if you jump on dissenting voices as heretics the ideas don't go away. You just don't get to hear how they are developing any more.

Anyway that's a pep talk to myself really, I've not been following my own advice lately!

I think it's great that young people are thinking about and getting passionate about politics!

I too think hatred is rife but not amongst everyone. And sanctimonious Labour are the worst culprits. The hatred for DM readers and Tory voters is beyond anything sensible and just creates a backlash.

The worst thing about Labour is that they say people are just thick. If you voted Brexit it's because you're uneducated and or just plain stupid. The Tories don't insult people like this. I did vote Labour until a few years ago. I liked Blair at the time and Brown. I've not voted Tory either. But probably will next time in spite of the shambles.

This was not passionate campaigning for a cause. She never has been part of an active political campaign. Or even debated on line though she may retweet things that she agrees with.

It was an ugly lashing out at a person who has provided love and affection through a life time.