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To feel so angry and confused

109 replies

AlexsMum89 · 05/12/2017 22:15

Bear with me please, I'm probably about to write a long post.

I met DH when I was a single mum with one DS. The step parent situation has always been hard, it's never easy for anyone in that situation trying to work out boundaries and establishing relationships etc.

At the beginning it was particularly difficult and DH would get very angry. I tried to kick him out on two separate occasions but he refused to go and persuaded me we could sort it out.

Fast forward a few years and we are married, own a house and have DC2 on the way. The arguments are less often but his anger is still an issue for me. To give an example, tonight has been typical in how an argument between us goes:

I'm putting DS to bed.
DH - what's taking so long, it's late (imagine angry voice)
Me - we are just saying good night, do you want to cuddle DS?
DH cuddles DS but then starts trying to persuade him to keep the cat on his bed (DS does not want the cat on his bed at night and sleeps with his door shut anyway)
DS, reacting to the anger in his voice looks worried and starts saying he doesn't want him there and he wants his door shut. He stammers and stumbles over his words because he's getting nervous.
DH gets angrier and angrier demanding a proper reason, having a go at him for not speaking properly, being confrontational with DS and accuses him of not trusting us. Basically starts a massive fucking deal over nothing.
I'm biting my tongue not wanting to argue infront of DS but trying to work out how to stop this escalation.
DH turns to me and asks for me to confirm that we never forget anything for DS. I snap because it's simply not true.
I say we forget stuff quite a lot actually, forget when we've offered him a drink or that we've said we will do something etc. I tell DH that he's already pointed out it's late, we don't need this discussion now and tell him I want to finish putting DS to bed.
DH storms off huffing about me not supporting him.
I put DS to bed and shut the door behind me dreading what's coming next. DH accosts me outside the door and huffs and puffs when I ask to talk downstairs away from DS.
Get downstairs and he starts going on about DS not trusting us and that he was 'trying to instil some trust'.
I tell him that I don't think that was the issue at all, I'm making a lot of effort to be clear and calm. Try to explain and he cuts me off. I ask to finish and he says 'No, because you spoke when I wasn't finished'.
I told him I wasn't willing to continue and left the room. He follows to say some snipey things at me and I refuse to acknowledge him because I know from past experience how fast it will escalate and he was really making me angry as well as him being angry himself.

Thank you if you've read to here. I've cut it all down quite a lot to try and avoid being really boring but basically he sounds angry way too much. DS is sometimes afraid of telling him things because of how he will react, I can no longer finish/resolve an argument with him because of how fast it escalates and he ends up just saying stuff that's hurtful and doesn't even make sense.

He tries to blame me, says he only reacts the way he does because of how I make him feel. Tells me I've made the argument bad by walking away or some other reason like telling me he's only angry because I've not told him sooner or something. Tonight he angrily said to me 'why can't we have an argument without you always blowing up?!'.

I don't know if I've really got this across right. I don't know what to do any more. I can't face him tonight, I've gone to bed. I've sent him a message saying how upset I am and told him I don't want to talk to him tonight. I'm already hormonal and fragile today and he knows that.

He is low level angry every day and I feel takes it out on DS. When I step in we have a massive row, I address everything with him and he promises he's taken on board what I've said.

He isn't taking it on board though is he? He refuses couple counselling..

Can I fix this? Please tell me i can fix it

OP posts:
differentnameforthis · 06/12/2017 02:38

DS, reacting to the anger in his voice looks worried and starts saying he doesn't want him there and he wants his door shut. He stammers and stumbles over his words because he's getting nervous. Your ds is not
"sometimes afraid" to tell him anything, your ds is scared of your husband, FULL STOP!! Stammering and stumbling over his words in this way is a sign of fear.

You probably could try to fix this, but given he has refused therapy, it isn't likely to work. My advice is to leave, honestly. Your son doesn't trust him, he is scared of him. Kids are a great judge of character. Protect your son & yourself.

differentnameforthis · 06/12/2017 02:44

The thing is, he genuinely has no idea that he's coming across so angry. He just doesn't understand Does he act like this all the time then? Treats people who work in shops/cafes/his boss & colleagues like this?

No? Then sorry, but he DOES know what he is doing. He acts like he doesn't because he is gaslighting you and making you think you are the one in the wrong.

laudanum · 06/12/2017 03:11

Get out of there. Men like that only get worse and there's no fixing them.

charlestonchaplin · 06/12/2017 03:27

The problem is not that you married this man, though that wasn't a great move. The real problem is that you're having a child with him. You may never be able to get him out of your lives for good now. However, leaving him will save the first child, and he may be more patient with his biological child. It does happen.

Coolaschmoola · 06/12/2017 03:27

You husband was angrily berating your son to the point your poor child was distressed and you BIT YOUR TONGUE?!

No. Just no. You are meant to be your son's protector and he eas being bullied by a grown man in front of you.

In that situation you do not keep the peace. Your child needed and deserved to have you, his parent, step in and say that this wasn't ok, and to stop it. Instead you 'bit your tongue*.

What message do you think that has sent to your poor child? You sat there and let him be bullied and did nothing about it. No matter how much you don't want to argue in front of your child some things cannot be allowed to go unchallenged. Your son NEEDED to hear you stand up for him, not to watch you sit meekly by whilst he was bullied in front of you.

I'm sorry that you are feeling sad and hurt, but I'm more sorry for your son who has no choice about being in this situation.

It doesn't matter how many good things your husband may do - because nothing will cancel this out.

Put your children first and get rid of your husband.

You said upthread that you don't want people to be harsh - sorry, but neither did your son, a child, but you sat and watched someone YOU brought into his life and allowed to stay, be appallingly harsh to him and did nothing. You need to know how dreadful that is whether you want to or not.

HuskyMcClusky · 06/12/2017 03:35

He is an angry bully who can’t control his temper.

Wtf has not wanting to sleep with a cat on your bed got to do with ‘trust’?! Absolutely nothing. Your DH just wanted a reason to pick on a little boy.

He will blight your son’s childhood and affect him for life.

He refuses couple counselling..

LEAVE.

BitchyHen · 06/12/2017 04:47

I hope you're still reading op.
Of course your dh is wonderful most of the time. If he always behaved like he did last night then you wouldn't have married him. This nice/nasty, push/pull is all part of an abusive relationship and make no mistake, it is an abusive relationship.
I am not going to blame you as I have been where you are. All of my children are my ex's too, but he still made our son his scapegoat.

You are shocked and upset tonight because this is the first time that your son has been involved. Next time you won't be as shocked and soon this will be your new normal. This will escalate, it always does.

I am so ashamed that I didn't do enough to protect my children from their angry father. They are teens/young adults now and all three have suffered mental health issues, anxiety, depression, self harm, school refusal. Seven years on and we are all still recovering.

Don't leave it too late. Make a plan and get out. Protect your son and your unborn child.

Pm if you want to talk.

Shoxfordian · 06/12/2017 04:59

Hope you come back OP

I know some replies are harsh but you do need to put your son first and protect him- he shouldn't be growing up afraid of his stepdad. Please protect yourself too and look into leaving him.

sandytime · 06/12/2017 05:04

How old is your ds? That is so sad what I have just read. I hope you have the strength to get away from this idiot!

thiscannotberight · 06/12/2017 05:04

I could have written this but my husband is the father of my three children. I try and organise my time so that I am alone with the children as much as possible and then try and help them not get in trouble when we’re together. But quite often it’s me who does something wrong so I get shouted out too. We’ve just moved house and I broke down on a new friend the other day as I didn’t want to take the children home. I have no useful advice but I feel your pain.

And whenever I try and speak about it I am told that I am an horrible person who is going mad and can’t be trusted. And it makes me feel like I’m losing a grip on reality.

I really hope you can find a way to make your husband see the damage he is causing.

rjay123 · 06/12/2017 05:09

Bet the OP doesn’t come back

Melony6 · 06/12/2017 06:21

My DH gets angry and it's always about him, not about me or DCs. Although he is in denial of that.
Something has annoyed him but he redirects it to me or something in the house, so that I can be within hearing of his 'justifiable' anger.
He used to be jealous of DCs, who are now older, and get angry if he thought he wasn't getting a fair share of my attention.
I made up my mind a few months ago that I would leave, and how I would go about it, if it kept on as it is very stressful and angering to live with. Now (having made the decision that I can leave) don't rise to it, I switch off so it doesn't wind me up, I can switch off as I know if he does it much I can leave. My lack of response and us having an argument where I suggested we split has resulted in him not doing it now. My blanking or whatever I did was feeding his justification to be angry. So you could try doing what I did.
Letting him know, calmly, that you will not stay with him (but make a plan so you sound convincing). And stop responding to his behaviour.
He probably doesn't know why he is angry so it isn't fixable by you or anyone else, only him.

IAmNotAWitch · 06/12/2017 06:55

"He is low level angry every day and I feel takes it out on DS."

Leave him.

It will suck, it will be hard. But it will be better than destroying your kid(s) by staying.

By the way, my DS2 doesn't like the cat on his bed, so she is accordingly shooed out and he sleeps with the door closed. Never in a million years would DH (or I) make our boy feel scared and worried over something so trivial.

It is not right and you know it.

Footle · 06/12/2017 07:14

thiscannotberight, damn right it's not right. Helping your children to stay out of trouble... think about how you can keep 'the trouble' away from them.

Runninglateeveryday · 06/12/2017 07:21

You are still with him?! Why? He is bullying your child and you should be prioritising him. He is going to grow up to be very damaged this will only get worse, especially once the teenage years approach. You have to leave this man.

jellycat1 · 06/12/2017 07:29

Your son is scared. Get out.

LakieLady · 06/12/2017 07:34

My ExH was like this, thankfully no DCs so only me affected.

It took a long, long time before I came to my senses and asked him to leave. It took another 5 years before he finally did and I swear the stress, fear and pain it caused me nearly bloody killed me.

Because it was gradual, and subtle, I didn't see it for what it was - abuse. I was gaslighted, and genuinely believed it was me, my fault, my failure.

Please don't be me. Please get out and take your son to somewhere safe. Talk to Women's Aid, they'll be able to give you practical advice.

There's no emoji for a big mug of courage, so have these instead. Flowers

Cornishclio · 06/12/2017 07:40

I don't think you can fix this if your DH will not admit he has a problem with anger management. I think your DS and new baby and yourself deserve to live without being emotionally abused. Only you know though if this episode last night is typical of him or if it could have been managed better and not resulted in confrontation and scaring your DS.

I think you need to think long and hard about whether your home is a safe happy place for your DS and new baby. If not, you know what you have to do. I hope you have some support as you may need it if you decide to leave. When is your new baby due?

Cornishclio · 06/12/2017 07:44

Thiscannotberight Please leave this man as it sounds like you are in a very abusive relationship. Not good for you or your DC.

PinkyBlunder · 06/12/2017 08:09

Your DH sounds jealous and out of his depth where parenting is concerned so he’s using fear and anger to try and control your DS. It’s not acceptable and your DH sounds scared. It’s emotional abuse I’m afraid and you need to protect your children because people that do this never admit they’re wrong.

Another child of an angry emotional abuser.

Motherbear26 · 06/12/2017 08:26

I’m sorry but he sounds jealous and resentful of your son. Why else would he try to chivvy along and disrupt you settling him at bedtime? You know this is wrong and it will only get worse when dc2 arrives. You must leave him, unless he acknowledges that he has a huge problem and agrees to seek help (and acts on it immediately). Your son deserves to feel safe in his own home. Please don’t tolerate this behaviourFlowers

Ropsleybunny · 06/12/2017 08:29

Are you ok OP?

overnightangel · 06/12/2017 08:34

He is a bully.
You should not be letting a man like this anywhere near your son, let alone live with him and raise him.
You need to leave NOW

MarthasHarbour · 06/12/2017 14:20

I read this thread last night and havent been able to get it out of my head. Your poor DS Sad

Please please LTB. Phone Womens Aid, do something. Your DS is scared of your H...

LagunaBubbles · 06/12/2017 14:32

OP is suffering here just as much as the son. Don't blame one of the victims here

I know what the effects of emotional abuse are, and I dont think its really a case of blaming the OP but one of the people here can do something about the situation - the other cant, as he is just a child exposed to this, and if the OP doesnt leave this man now her DS will no doubt grow up emotionally affected and damaged by all of this. Why would you expose your child to that? And bring another one in to it?

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