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To feel so angry and confused

109 replies

AlexsMum89 · 05/12/2017 22:15

Bear with me please, I'm probably about to write a long post.

I met DH when I was a single mum with one DS. The step parent situation has always been hard, it's never easy for anyone in that situation trying to work out boundaries and establishing relationships etc.

At the beginning it was particularly difficult and DH would get very angry. I tried to kick him out on two separate occasions but he refused to go and persuaded me we could sort it out.

Fast forward a few years and we are married, own a house and have DC2 on the way. The arguments are less often but his anger is still an issue for me. To give an example, tonight has been typical in how an argument between us goes:

I'm putting DS to bed.
DH - what's taking so long, it's late (imagine angry voice)
Me - we are just saying good night, do you want to cuddle DS?
DH cuddles DS but then starts trying to persuade him to keep the cat on his bed (DS does not want the cat on his bed at night and sleeps with his door shut anyway)
DS, reacting to the anger in his voice looks worried and starts saying he doesn't want him there and he wants his door shut. He stammers and stumbles over his words because he's getting nervous.
DH gets angrier and angrier demanding a proper reason, having a go at him for not speaking properly, being confrontational with DS and accuses him of not trusting us. Basically starts a massive fucking deal over nothing.
I'm biting my tongue not wanting to argue infront of DS but trying to work out how to stop this escalation.
DH turns to me and asks for me to confirm that we never forget anything for DS. I snap because it's simply not true.
I say we forget stuff quite a lot actually, forget when we've offered him a drink or that we've said we will do something etc. I tell DH that he's already pointed out it's late, we don't need this discussion now and tell him I want to finish putting DS to bed.
DH storms off huffing about me not supporting him.
I put DS to bed and shut the door behind me dreading what's coming next. DH accosts me outside the door and huffs and puffs when I ask to talk downstairs away from DS.
Get downstairs and he starts going on about DS not trusting us and that he was 'trying to instil some trust'.
I tell him that I don't think that was the issue at all, I'm making a lot of effort to be clear and calm. Try to explain and he cuts me off. I ask to finish and he says 'No, because you spoke when I wasn't finished'.
I told him I wasn't willing to continue and left the room. He follows to say some snipey things at me and I refuse to acknowledge him because I know from past experience how fast it will escalate and he was really making me angry as well as him being angry himself.

Thank you if you've read to here. I've cut it all down quite a lot to try and avoid being really boring but basically he sounds angry way too much. DS is sometimes afraid of telling him things because of how he will react, I can no longer finish/resolve an argument with him because of how fast it escalates and he ends up just saying stuff that's hurtful and doesn't even make sense.

He tries to blame me, says he only reacts the way he does because of how I make him feel. Tells me I've made the argument bad by walking away or some other reason like telling me he's only angry because I've not told him sooner or something. Tonight he angrily said to me 'why can't we have an argument without you always blowing up?!'.

I don't know if I've really got this across right. I don't know what to do any more. I can't face him tonight, I've gone to bed. I've sent him a message saying how upset I am and told him I don't want to talk to him tonight. I'm already hormonal and fragile today and he knows that.

He is low level angry every day and I feel takes it out on DS. When I step in we have a massive row, I address everything with him and he promises he's taken on board what I've said.

He isn't taking it on board though is he? He refuses couple counselling..

Can I fix this? Please tell me i can fix it

OP posts:
Ropsleybunny · 05/12/2017 22:43

The only way this can be fixed is to get rid. Put your son first, he needs protection from this bully. 💐

VelvetKK · 05/12/2017 22:43

Try and read your post back again and look at your DS's reaction. I think that will answer your question and make the decision for you. Unfortunately, I think you know yourself that there seems to be a negative effect on your son and that can't continue. He seems scared and frightened around your DH. That's not fair for either of you. Do you have support around you?

NellMangel · 05/12/2017 22:46

You don't want to hear this but I you need to walk away.

You can't live like this. Your son definitely can't live like this.

Welshmaenad · 05/12/2017 22:47

He is abusive and manipulative.

You are walking on eggshells around him, afraid of his reaction to things.

He is gaslighting you, he is gaslighting your son.

He turns things around so that HIS reactions are somehow YOUR fault. They are not.

Your son is afraid of him.

He is abusive and for your sons sake, your sake and your baby's sake, you need to get away from him.

Please contact Women's Aid or the National Domestic Abuse Helpline. Get advice on leaving g safely, your rights and where you stand with regard to housing and benefits. Please.

DiscoDeviant · 05/12/2017 22:48

My exH was like this but he’s my children’s father. Since I kicked him out the house has been a much happier place. You won’t change your DH as he’ll never accept he’s in the wrong. It took me a long time to figure that out.

BackInTheRoom · 05/12/2017 22:48

@AlexsMum89 Do you really, REALLY think a grown adult doesn't know how they're behaving?! Omg you are minimising, please stop denying he doesn't realise he's an angry man. Once you're honest with yourself about how he does know that he gets angry, you'll get angry with him about his treatment of you and DS. For some reason, you or your relationship or set-up is making him angry?

Originalfoogirl · 05/12/2017 22:50

Nope. If he spoke to my child, then me like that, he’d be gone. You tried twice but he refused to leave, that should have been a big enough sign. For your sons sake you must leave. It’s not only bad for him now but for his future relationships.

blueskypink · 05/12/2017 22:52

It doesn't matter what his good points are. What matters is that he's a bully and your son is frightened of him.

LovingLola · 05/12/2017 22:52

Have read some of your other posts. Your son is 7 years old. His father is a shit father. Now he has a shit stepfather. God help him. Because you certainly aren't.

WishingOnABar · 05/12/2017 22:52

As the biological daughter of a man who displayed “low level anger” on a daily basis, was always aggressive and intimidating and yet never intentionally so, I feel very sorry for your child.
It is a very difficult existence living constantly on eggshells around someone like that, add in the uncertainty of being the non biological child with your dc2 on the way I suspect your ds is feeling very anxious right now.
The problem is if you dont address this tension and anger with dp now it will never get better, it will only be accepted as the status quo and imho he will only be surprised when you’ve had enough and the relationship ends a few years down the line as he wont be doing anything different.

ButchyRestingFace · 05/12/2017 22:53

I tried to kick him out on two separate occasions but he refused to go and persuaded me we could sort it out.

Should have tried harder, I'm afraid.

How old is your poor little boy?

DH cuddles DS but then starts trying to persuade him to keep the cat on his bed

This is frankly bizarre. Who wants their child to sleep with an animal on the bed??

lemonsandlimes123 · 05/12/2017 22:54

No doubt the OP will be back shortly to tell us all how we have the wrong end of the stick and he is great most of the time etc etc. He waved a massive red flag in front of her twice when she tried to kick him out and he refused to go, he couldn't have been clearer about who he was but she decided to marry him anyway and get pregnant. Meanwhile her child is being emotionally abused and she is colluding in it.

Lilyargin · 05/12/2017 22:55

What a horrid situation for you, and some of these comments don’t help. Can you talk to him when he isn’t angry? Why does he refuse counselling? Does your son ever talk about how he feels?

walnutwhip88 · 05/12/2017 22:56

DIVORCE DIVORCE DIVORCE do you want your son growing up with some sort of anxiety disorder/depression?

Oly5 · 05/12/2017 22:56

You were putting your lovely son to bed and your DH got angry because it was taking too long? What a wanker.
Your son is frightened of this angry
man. Stop Laing excuses for
him and leave.
You all deeefe better. Don’t put your children through this, you poor things

Oly5 · 05/12/2017 22:57

*Making excuses
*Deserve better
Sorry for typos

LovingLola · 05/12/2017 22:58

What a horrid situation for you, and some of these comments don’t help. Can you talk to him when he isn’t angry? Why does he refuse counselling? Does your son ever talk about how he feels?

You're having a laugh aren't you? Horrid for the op??? What about her young son? And her son stammers when he is with the fucking bastard that she has brought into his life.. does that not tell you something???

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Fishface77 · 05/12/2017 23:01

He does fucking understand!
He knows exactly what he's doing. And so do you.
You are complicit in the abuse of your child.
Get out while you can or maybe your DS could gonand live with his dad.
I want to cry thinking of him going to sleep with a gut clenching nebulous fear. Appalling behaviour from the people who are supposed to protect him.

MammaTJ · 05/12/2017 23:03

You are in an abusive relationship, you have put your DS in an abusive relationship!

You are both frightened to speak and both treading on egg shells to try and prevent an angry outburst. That IS ABUSIVE!

How many of us saying it will it take OP? How many people telling you you need to get out will make that happen? It has to happen, if not for your sake, then for your DS!

AnnieAnoniMouse · 05/12/2017 23:03

💐 (((hug)))

Love, he’s done a real number on you. He’s got you do you don’t know which end is up anymore 😕.

I know many of the posts will be hard for you to read & will make you defensive of him, but please try to see past that. It’s clear you wanted to be told ‘how to fix it’, you’re not really ready to face the reality.

Sadly, the reality is (as much as it hurts to hear) that he is an abusive bully to you both. He’s ground you down & gaslighted you, bullied & ‘nomalised’ his behaviour.

No matter how nice or generous etc he is at other times & no matter how much he does for you & DS, you can’t live like this and even more importantly, you can’t subject your children to this. You really, really can’t. You need to leave him before the damage he does to your DS gets any worse.

To put it bluntly, the shit he was coming out with tonight alone makes him sound like a right nut job, DS doesn’t want the cat on his bed and he turns that into a massive issue about trust & crap? He’s really not right. I honestly just want to come & bring your little boy home with me where he won’t ever feel scared again.

mumofthemonsters808 · 05/12/2017 23:05

Poor little mite, your Husband is a bully who is jealous of the bond between you and your son.When he has a child of his own, he will back off from him completely and it will be very obvious that he is not his biological son.

It's a very common scenario and i suspect you'll allow this situation to continue. I can't stand adults who get their kicks intimidating children, no way would anyone make my boy stutter with fear .I wouldn't want a cat sleeping on my bed either, let him sleep with the moggy and hopefully it will shit all over him..

lilathewerewolf · 05/12/2017 23:06

'He is wonderful in many ways and does lots of lovely things for DS'

What, when he's not making him stammer you mean? Or maybe it's lovely and peaceful for your son when he's taking out his 'low level anger' on you instead. Jesus. Wtf is wrong with some people.

Thankfully though, you CAN fix it, You can fix it by leaving your abusive husband before you bring another poor child into this clusterfuck.

Guiltypleasures001 · 05/12/2017 23:15

If your really unlucky your ds could develop that stammer as a permanent reaction to stress
At school that could lead to bullying, loss of self worth confidence you name it

You knew he was a problem and yet still married him, you have effectively rubber stamped his abuse of a small child, your child.

Op I'm sure he abuses you as well because your minimising most of his behaviour, you need an exit and soon

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 05/12/2017 23:20

Listen to yourself. Read back what you've written. See how bonkers it is. Like this

The thing is, he genuinely has no idea that he's coming across so angry. He just doesn't understand. When I explain to him he is baffled and can't understand why I'm reacting so badly to what is funnily enough his good intentions, executed in a terrible way

Your son was visibly scared, so were you. You are confusing doesn't understand with doesn't care and is quietly getting off on it To you the idea that someone would choose to behave like this, is so abhorrent you make up absolute nonsense to yourself like he doesn't understand that he's upsetting a small child.

Maybe if you stop those crazy lies to yourself you will find it easier to protect your child.

Look at the lies you tell yourself about your choices too.
Basically starts a massive fucking deal over nothing. I'm biting my tongue not wanting to argue in front of DS but trying to work out how to stop this escalation. DH turns to me and asks for me to confirm that we never forget anything for DS. I snap because it's simply not true.

I notice that you didn't protect your child until DH gave you permission to speak. DS was looking at you pleading for protection and you didn't help him because you felt a stronger need to protect yourself. That's a sign that you are in a very fucked up place. You will lose the love and trust of your child if you carry on like this.

Have you noticed that your DH is projecting and creating these situations? He put you in a situation where DS would lose trust in both you and DH. Then complained that DS doesn't trust you. He bullies, he says you are the bully. He calls you what he is.

What do you want to do about it?

Btw you can fix it. You can't fix him into being a different person but you can fix it to ensure that he can't vent his anger at you and your DC. Get out.