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‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 05/12/2017 05:30

From Shakespeake’s Henry IV, Act 3 Scene 1.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3094156-All-we-want-for-Christmas-is-an-IMPEACHMENT-Trump-cont

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 09:34

Whoops

They're positing that it's because Moore being elected would damage the GOP brand, having a child sexual abuser as the face of the GOP, and that it would therefore cause a Dem wave in 2018 in which they'd win the house and start impeachment proceedings.

I'm not sure how likely it is. If he's elected, it might indicate that people have become so tribal that they won't be put off by paedophilia but here's hoping the majority are reviled by the GOP's actions. Then of course there's the problem of free and fair elections but having said that, the Dems have won quite a few special elections and governorships so perhaps the backlash will still manage to overcome any voter suppression.

lionheart · 06/12/2017 09:36

The tax plan is like a grotesque version of the magic porridge pot. Everything that flows from it will keep them fed for years.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 09:47

I'm loving your literary allusions today lion Grin

Early morning Shelley was lovely

BiglyBadgers · 06/12/2017 10:03

They're positing that it's because Moore being elected would damage the GOP brand, having a child sexual abuser as the face of the GOP, and that it would therefore cause a Dem wave in 2018 in which they'd win the house and start impeachment proceedings.

This is a nice thought, but at a time when we have trump's lawyer arguing that Trump is effectively above the law what we have developing is a dictatorship and you don't get free and fair elections in a dictatorship.

I am beginning to feel that unless trump is politically crippled and on his way out anyway before the 2018 elections those elections will be pretty meaningless.

BiglyBadgers · 06/12/2017 10:03

Sorry to put a downer on the Shelley

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 10:12

I didn't agree with the article's premise either bigly.

And the other problem is that even removing Trump doesn't remove all the other conditions that allowed him to be President and then rule the way he has. They will still be there and all the more strengthened by the measures Trump has passed in the last 10 months.

lionheart · 06/12/2017 10:12

Thanks Pain. Smile

There's always the money trail and Trump's red line, Bigly,

www.politicususa.com/2017/12/05/trumps-worst-nightmare-true-deutsche-bank-begun-sending-financial-records-robert-mueller.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 10:39

Peter Jukes‏
@peterjukes

  1. The effect of Mercer funding - of both Young Americas Foundation and Young Britons foundation - shows the three pronged strategy of Steve Bannon's influence on both #Brexit and #Trump
  2. The first strategy is the Tea Party style insurrection from the right. (Kassam and Farage were inspired to invent their own British Tea Party until they realised that it was a rebellion against the Brits)
  3. Just like the Tea Party in the US, the YBF and Conservative Way Forward organised its own slate of councillors, aldermen and MPs which it lavished with attention, online dirty tricks and activism
  4. This was aided by endless spuriously funded Astro turfed campaigns and think tanks both sides of the Atlantic, and a dedication to trolling new media outlets like Breitbart or Fawkes.
  5. Students of course were a key target, and they were leveraged - as we say in the Tory bullying scandal - to provide incentives for middle aged MPs, and plenty of Kompromat
  6. But the other key tactic, apart from entryism, was a divide and rule attitude to other splitting up parties. The Republicans greatest fear was Trump running as a independent. In the UK, it became UKIP
  7. Key members of the YBF went over to UKIP, including Raheem Kassam and Matt Richardson, around 2013, after Bannon attended the 10th YBF anniversary
  8. This disruptive right flank attack was well thought out, and clearly approved of by key members who stayed within the Conservative Party, like Matt Elliott. It gave YBF alumni a classic pincer movement on moderate Tories.
  9. And just as Trump is 'talking' to Putin during the Miss Universe contest in 2013, so too many YBF members make visits to Moscow, often via the Conservative Friends of Russia group, closed down because of espionage concerns
10. With many of the YBF execs - particularly Matt Richardson and Matt Elliott - there was an early realisation fo the power of digital campaigning around this time or earlier. 11. And this is where things really converge, quite apart from the Bannon/Kassam/Farage love in. The use of Cambridge Analytica, the Mercer owned electoral machine, which included Bannon and Flynn as advisors 12. Despite ostensibly belonging to different parties Richardson to UKIP and Elliott to the Conservatives): despite helping to run different campaigns, Vote Leave and Leave EU, both Matt's used the services of Cambridge Analytica or its subsidiaries 13. So the first two prongs, entryism and 'splitting', from these Mercer backed groups, are finally turbo charged with Breitbart propaganda combined with weaponised dark ads from Mercer's analytics firm 14. So the much vaunted antipathy between Vote Leave and Leave.EU is surface only: they have the same mentors, funders, personnel, dark money and digital campaigning. They were the same project all along. 15. Two things remain unclear to date: why was Cambridge Analytica repeatedly offering help to Julian Assange over Russian hacked emails? And how deep do those Russian connections go with #Brexit? 16. However, there's little doubt that the Russian colonisation of UKIP really does begin soon after Farage becomes friends with Bannon in 2012 who then recruits Kassam to Breitbart 17. First there was the research work by 'dissident' Pavel Stroilov, the mysterious Zatutliviter case involving Arron Banks Russian wife, the expelled 'agent' Sergey Nalodin, and finally, in 2013 - Farage meets Ambassador Yakovenko, and gets regular RT spots 18. It's around then in 2013 Farage goes in to full Putin fan boy mode. But why? What was the quid pro quo? twitter.com/peterjukes/status/938255663385464832
  1. But for all the Putinophilia, don't forget the real origin of this: Farage's friendship with Bannon - a man he admired so much he gave Bannon a painting depicting him as Napoleon
  2. The other Russia connections, like Dana Rohrabacher, prove the wider point. This whole scandal is created by the alliance between dark money in both US and Russia twitter.com/peterjukes/status/889240443166363654
  3. Sometimes there's an ideological alliance over 'nationism' or white supremacy, climate change, gun control, illiberalism or libertarianism, but two things never change in this YAF/YBF spawned takeover of classic conservatism.
  4. Dark money and deep data - these two consistent threads which link back to Mercer's RenTech: and even to former YBF President Dan Hannan's praise for the 'blue eye sheikhs' of Iceland banking before the crash.
  5. And paradoxically - by following the data and the money - US law enforcement is wrapping up and neutralising a large part of this network. However, no one has begun this process in the UK.
samG76 · 06/12/2017 10:57

Fekko - pesky Jews, eh. It's always their fault.....

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 11:03

fekko explicitly mooted other options as to why it might be happening (Or just to have another go at muslims? Or maybe there's just a juicy real estate deal going on. Of corse he will piss off the Christians too) but feel free to ignore that.

PerkingFaintly · 06/12/2017 11:22

Zionist lobby rather than Jewish, I'd say, Fekko.

lljkk · 06/12/2017 11:37

I presume the Jeruselum thing is distraction... Trump is trying to seize control of his publicity. The announcement is received well by many in his base & gives Fox News something to talk about other than Flynn.... McFarland... Manaford... Kushner... Page...

PerkingFaintly · 06/12/2017 11:48

Ahh of course, lijkk.

BiglyBadgers · 06/12/2017 11:51

I think you are right lljkk. There has always been very strong support for Israel in the US government. This will be controversial enough to create noise but his support and the GOP aren't going to be too upset by it. Just what he needs right now. I also seem to remember this coming up a few months ago, but being chucked back in the long grass. May be that now they have the tax bill through there is a belief they can pretty much get away with anything.

lionheart · 06/12/2017 11:54

Yes, also a distraction.

On the distraction front, I don't know why Bannon is banging on about service in Vietnam in relation to Jones unless he really wants to remind everyone about Trump's sore feet.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 12:13

Jones isn’t taking it lying down

Doug Jones
@GDouglasJones
We don’t need an outside agitator like Steve Bannon carpetbagging in Alabama.

Doug Jones
@GDouglasJones
Come to think of it, Bannon and Roy Moore have something in common. Neither of them can hold down a job.

NorthCoast · 06/12/2017 12:19

Someone mentioned the National Enquirer up-thread - Popbitch (of all places) did a very good four-part series on its links to Trump recently: popbitch.com/2017/10/the-united-states-of-american-media-inc/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 12:56

Amazing Smile

www.today.com/news/silence-breakers-are-time-s-2017-person-year-t119689

TIME has named The Silence Breakers, the individuals who set off a national reckoning over the prevalence of sexual harassment, as its 2017 Person of the Year.

The magazine's editor-in-chief Edward Felsenthal revealed the selection Wednesday on TODAY along with the cover, a composite group photo that includes actress Ashley Judd, singer Taylor Swift, former Uber engineer Susan Fowler and a woman whose face cannot be seen.

PerkingFaintly · 06/12/2017 12:59

Oh wow!

PerkingFaintly · 06/12/2017 13:01

NorthCoast, that looks like a really interesting article in Popbitch. I'm just sitting down with it now.

BiglyBadgers · 06/12/2017 13:15

Wow! Go Time. Trump is going to be so pissed Grin

Natsku · 06/12/2017 13:19

Nice one Time!!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/12/2017 13:25

Here's the actual article

time.com/time-person-of-the-year-2017-silence-breakers/

lionheart · 06/12/2017 13:29

Oh dear, poor Trump.

Grin
lionheart · 06/12/2017 13:30

Charlotte Alter‏Verified account
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45m45 minutes ago
More Charlotte Alter Retweeted TIME
This was conceived, reported and written by women. It was fact-checked by women. The video was shot and edited by women. The layout and photo spread were designed by women. It's one of the reasons I'm proud to work at @time