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‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 05/12/2017 05:30

From Shakespeake’s Henry IV, Act 3 Scene 1.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3094156-All-we-want-for-Christmas-is-an-IMPEACHMENT-Trump-cont

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Roussette · 12/12/2017 07:34

Roy Moore's wife is just as objectionable as him isn't she...

Major diversion from her husband's paedophilia and on to anti semitic slurs which I haven't seen or heard on Twitter I have to say.

Yes those words actually come out of her mouth... I suppose she is standing by her maaaan....

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/roy-moore-wife-not-anti-semitic-lawyer-jewish.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 10:57

Donald Trump visit to UK expected in new year, says US ambassador
US president expected to visit Britain in early 2018 when he may formally open the new American embassy

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/12/donald-trump-visit-to-uk-expected-in-new-year-says-us-ambassador?__twitter_impression=true

Fekko · 12/12/2017 11:12

Says him!

PerkingFaintly · 12/12/2017 12:50

Well, this is quite a juxtaposition.

Roy Moore's just said: "I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery. They cared for one another. People were strong in the families. Our families were strong."

I've just come across this site: informationwanted.org Apparently after emancipation there was a whole industry of advertising by former slaves searching for their families.

Information wanted of my peo-ple. My mother was sold from me when I could but crawl. She be-longed to Jim Finley in Dade Co., Mo. I had two sisters and two brothers Mother's name was Sicler Finley. When sold she was taken to Arkansaw. At the age of three years Jim Finley's father gave me to Dave Long's wife. I never saw any of my people. I was about 39 years old last March and am married and living at Panama, Vernon Co., Mo. My name is Mary Delaney; it used to be Mary Long. Address me at Postoffice: Panama, Vernon county, Mo.
The Christian Recorder (Philadelphia, PA), April 17, 1902

It has some happier ones, too. But they still make me cry.

FOUND HER RELATIVES.
The Value of an Advertisement in the Planet.
Louisville, Ky , Oct. 23, 1895
Mr. Mitchell,
I have heard from my father Edwin Childs. He lives in Washington City. He saw the advertisement in the Rich-mond Planet. I received the letter from him Tuesday. It has been 36 years since I last saw him We were sold away from our father in the year of 1859. I received a letter from Phil-adelphia, Pa , concerning the same matter. My aunt Muzinda lives in Richmond , Va. Her number is 913 N. Third St. Through your kindness was the cause of me finding my father and aunt.
From yours,
BETTIE JOHNSON.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 13:27

That's really heartbreaking perking.

This is better than firing Mueller but I fear that it's coming soon (emphasis mine)

Trump lawyers want second special counsel appointed now

www.axios.com/trump-lawyers-want-second-special-counsel-appointed-now-2516838220.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

President Trump's legal team believes Attorney General Jeff Session's Justice Department and the FBI — more than special counsel Robert Mueller himself — are to blame for what they see as a witch hunt.

The result: They want an additional special counsel named to investigate the investigators.

Trump officials outlined their new line of thinking to me last night.

The new demand was prompted by a Fox News article last evening by James Rosen and Jake Gibson: "A senior Justice Department official [Bruce Ohr] demoted last week for concealing his meetings with the men behind the anti-Trump 'dossier' had even closer ties to Fusion GPS, the firm responsible for the incendiary document, than have been disclosed: ... The official's wife [Nellie Ohr] worked for Fusion GPS during the 2016 election."
Jay Sekulow, a member of the President's legal team, tells me: "The Department of Justice and FBI cannot ignore the multiple problems that have been created by these obvious conflicts of interests. These new revelations require the appointment of a Special Counsel to investigate."
Unlike some other vocal Republicans, Trump's lawyers say they respect Mueller and trust him, and want to get to the finish line with him.
In November, the WashPost reported: "Attorney General Jeff Sessions is entertaining the idea of appointing a second special counsel to investigate a host of Republican concerns — including alleged wrongdoing by the Clinton Foundation and the controversial sale of a uranium company to Russia."
Trump lawyers' strategy: Cooperate with Mueller, and insist publicly they have nothing to hide, and expect the president to be fully cleared early in the new year.

Behind the curtain: Trump's non-legal aides seem way more nervous, and some tell me that they assume the end will be neither near nor pleasant.
Be smart: Among Republicans, the argument that the investigation is tainted is picking up steam, including comments by Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) on Friday: "I will be challenging Rs and Ds on Senate Judiciary Committee to support a Special Counsel to investigate ALL THINGS 2016 — not just Trump and Russia."

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last night cites a "fire-Mueller freakout on the right": "Everyone's throwing red flags on the possibility of firing Robert Mueller, on both sides of the aisle."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 13:47

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To revive Moore's campaign, Bannon emulated the Nazi + Soviet progagandist filmmakers he admires, building a counter-narrative to evoke paranoia + anger

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/how-steve-bannon-rescued-roy-moore-s-campaign-against-all-odds

Bannon worked to create a counter-narrative that ultimately would change many Republicans’ perception of the scandal. A former filmmaker, he’s long been captivated by the propaganda films of Leni Riefenstahl, the Nazi filmmaker, and the Soviet director Sergei Eisenstein for their power to shape public sentiment. Earlier this year, Bannon told the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer his 2012 anti-Obama film “The Hope and the Change,” had consciously mimicked Riefenstahl’s infamous, “Triumph of the Will.” Her film, he added, “seared into me” that unhappy voters could be influenced if they felt they were being conned.

“Riefenstahl and Eisenstein both created an image of their nation that coalesced in the minds of citizens and shaped public opinion through narratives, which is essentially what Bannon is doing in politics,” says Nadia Szold, a filmmaker and documentarian who has studied Bannon’s films and discussed his influences with him. “They all evoke emotions like nostalgia, patriotism or paranoia that strengthen a collective sentiment.”

Maggie Haberman‏Verified account
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We are at a point where dropping the phrase “inspired by Nazi propaganda” about a former presidential adviser doesn’t cause much of a ripple

AcrossthePond55 · 12/12/2017 13:56

None of this 'fire Mueller' crap is the least bit surprising. Simply following the Nixonian 'fire him' narrative that ended up in the Saturday Night Massacre and the firing of Archibald Cox. Of course it all backfired magnificently and ended in Nixon's resignation. The Scrotus Gang is just trying to find a way to do the same without anyone pointing that out or it ending up going the way Nixon did.

I believe the polls open in about 5 minutes in Alabama. They close at 7 pm local time. That would be 1 am Wednesday, London time. I believe Alabama adheres to the results blackout so there will be no results announced until after the polls close. I think Moore's election is a foregone conclusion, unfortunately.

PerkingFaintly · 12/12/2017 13:57

So on the one hand, there's no expectation for Trump and his family, for Devin Nunes, for Betsy DeVos, to meet standards of integrity or be even slightly concerned about conflicts of interest.

And on the other hand, anyone who threatens their position is entirely disqualified by the merest hint of a conflict of interest.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 14:12

What's that perking? Acting unethically? How dare you!

Mother Jones‏Verified account
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A new European Parliament report accuses Wilbur Ross, Trump’s embattled commerce secretary, of possible insider trading bit.ly/2ANq9di

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 14:14

I think you're right across, not least because they stayed the court ruling to preserve the ballot records! There's something rotten in the state of Alabama.

This did raise a weak smile

The Hill‏Verified account
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Bannon tells Moore supporters he went to better school than Joe Scarborough — who went to University of Alabama hill.cm/U1NCC9u

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 14:18

Trump is busy tweeting again but this sums it up for me (though I would argue that it hasn't moved on too much from 2015)

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!

Maggie Haberman‏Verified account
@maggieNYT
What does “and would do anything for them” mean?

David Nather‏Verified account
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It means “there goes the rest of the day” — again

Maggie Haberman‏Verified account
@maggieNYT
It means he’s not explicitly saying something, people will react according to a pretty apparent potential meaning, he’ll then say he didn’t say that and his supporters will say Fake News overreacts

Maggie Haberman‏Verified account
@maggieNYT
Difference between 2015 and now is that in 2015 there were plenty of news reporters across the spectrum straining to give him benefit of doubt/receptive to being pitted against other reporters

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 14:28

Jenna Johnson‏Verified account
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President Trump calls his accusers “women who I don’t know and/or have never met.” The list includes a former business partner, a contestant in one of his beauty pageants, a reporter who interviewed him and an Apprentice contestant.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-growing-list-of-women-who-have-stepped-forward-to-accuse-trump-of-touching-them-inappropriately/2016/10/15/a65ddf1c-92df-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html?utm_term=.3f540f12ce0c

AcrossthePond55 · 12/12/2017 15:23

Scrotus is just a fucking circus clown, isn't he?

Unfortunately, in this case it IS our circus and our monkeys!

BTW, this is the music that will now play when Scrotus enters the room. "Hail to the Chief" has been 'decommissioned' until he's out of office

cozietoesie · 12/12/2017 15:51

Joe and Mika on that tweet.

cozietoesie · 12/12/2017 15:53

I think that The Huck will tell another long and rambling story at her next presser.

Fekko · 12/12/2017 15:54

is that because its a nice slow piece that he can creep/glide onto the stage to? I think I'd suggest the theme tune to Steptoe & Son for him. It would give him some added class.

cozietoesie · 12/12/2017 15:58

(I think that Across is joking by the way.) Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 15:59

Here’s SHS making good on Gwen promise to provide lists and lists of eyewitnesses who can corroborate trump’s version of events. Ish.

thinkprogress.org/eyewitnesses-white-house-exonerate-trump-ce8792f64364/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

PerkingFaintly · 12/12/2017 15:59

OMG someone should absolutely tell 45 they have this wonderful piece of music called "Entry of the Gladiators" which is just perfect for him, the Ancient Roman hero.

And just put it in the programme.

Gwan gwan gwan, I dare you, anyone who has a job they're about to leave in events organising.Grin

cozietoesie · 12/12/2017 16:02

It would be a hard hard sell. He likes the 'trappings'.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 16:02
Grin

House OversightDems‏Verified account
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JUST IN: @RepCummings Backs Calls for @GOPOversight to Investigate Multiple Sexual Harassment Allegations Against President #Trump.

medium.com/oversightdems/multiple-sexual-harassment-allegations-against-president-trump-d7e1f5436717

PerkingFaintly · 12/12/2017 16:05

Oh dear. Just watched that Joe & Mika piece.

They've bitten, exactly as Maggie Haberman predicted: "It means he’s not explicitly saying something, people will react according to a pretty apparent potential meaning, he’ll then say he didn’t say that and his supporters will say Fake News overreacts"

cozietoesie · 12/12/2017 16:05

Gowdy will block it. (Or simply not respond.)

cozietoesie · 12/12/2017 16:07

I think that MH is too pessimistic. There's a ......cumulative effect.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 16:10

I think his tweet is meant to do what Maggie details but it does feel like the pushback against his sexual assaults are (very slowly) gaining steam and that this tweet will only help to fuel it.

Read this for a laugh and then despair that it isn't a parody account

Judd Legum‏Verified account
@JuddLegum

Trump family tried to vote absentee in the NYC mayoral election:

MELANIA: Didn't follow directions to sign envelope so her vote didn't count

IVANKA: Sent it on election day, too late

JARED: Never sent ballot

DONALD: Got his own b-day wrong by a month

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