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‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 05/12/2017 05:30

From Shakespeake’s Henry IV, Act 3 Scene 1.

Old thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3094156-All-we-want-for-Christmas-is-an-IMPEACHMENT-Trump-cont

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PerkingFaintly · 11/12/2017 21:25

Ahhh Randy's sooo goooood.

Though I didn't get the reference to "why not have several seats".

cozietoesie · 11/12/2017 21:39

Oh Randy is good. Smile

ragged · 11/12/2017 21:41

@SingaSong12, listen to Mark Levin, Savage Nation or Steven Chowder if you want a taste of what most talk radio is like in USA. They play on AM stations syndicated across the country.

Then if you're feeling brave, move onto Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. Finally, if you're feeling happily paranoid, try Alex Jones.

cozietoesie · 11/12/2017 21:44

Nahhhh, ragged. Jones is a Bridge Too Far. Wink

cozietoesie · 11/12/2017 21:47

Although........Smile

ragged · 11/12/2017 22:06

I disagree with the Newsweek assessment, that somehow women will rise up & punish the Republican party. I wish, but don't see it.

BUT, I heard some astute comments on CNN. Basically, the Senate has promised to implement loads of related ethics measures & conduct hearings into the allegations against Moore. That's assuming the Senate doesn't vote en masse to refuse him entry to the Senate. The publicity about these things will drag the GOP back and forth thru the mud. "Moore winning is NOT a win for the Republican Party," said the commentator, drily.

cozietoesie · 11/12/2017 22:10

It's not, is it? Smile

lionheart · 11/12/2017 22:29

TFFT. Grin

lionheart · 11/12/2017 22:46

Following Seth Abramson's work.

www.politico.com/story/2017/12/11/democrast-anti-clinton-bias-fbi-290475

TheClaws · 11/12/2017 23:37

Lion I love the yolk/yoke misstep!

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lionheart · 12/12/2017 00:09
Grin
lionheart · 12/12/2017 06:38

Inevitable statement.

‘Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown’ - as it should be! Trump thread continued.
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 06:39

Greg Palast
@Greg_Palast
A Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, and a minister walk into an #Alabama court… and successfully sue to preserve digital voting records. This is no joke — the GOP's ballot-stuffing plans are now in trouble! (link: www.gregpalast.com/tro-saves-alabama-senate-race-ballot-images/) #AlabamaSenateRace #RoyMoore
3:00 am · 12 Dec 2017

But then

Greg Palast
@Greg_Palast
BREAKING: We just got a call from attorneys John Brakey and Chris Sautter from #Alabama. The State Supreme Court, without a hearing, but on the pure "ex-parte" (i.e. private) complaint of the State, "stayed" — that is, OVERTURNED THIS MORNING’S RULING TO PRESERVE ALL BALLOTS!
4:27 am · 12 Dec 2017

And

MikeFarb
@mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
If anybody does not think that these Elections are Hacked. The state Supreme Court just stayed today's ruling and is allowing the destruction of the Voting Records.

lionheart · 12/12/2017 06:43

Painthat is very strange indeed.

shareblue.com/poll-gop-tax-scam-is-the-most-unpopular-bill-in-three-decades/

sagamartha · 12/12/2017 06:49

Ivanka Trump‏Verified account @IvankaTrump

Happy Holidays!

Someone didn't get the message Grin

NorthCoast · 12/12/2017 07:02

Has this been posted here yet? Commentary: I study liars. I've never seen one like Donald Trump.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-liar-20171208-story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 07:03

Cautiously, I would venture this seems to be gaining steam slightly. Senator Gillibrand also became the fourth dem senator to call on an trump to resign over his sexual assaults yesterday.

Philip Rucker
@PhilipRucker
Nikki Haley’s comments that women accusing Trump of abuse “should be heard” infuriated the president, @JonLemire reports

apnews.com/e3b50b28fa73426799e6ac63839057fb

And

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Inbox: The Democratic Women's Working Group will hold a press conference on Tuesday calling on the House Oversight Committee to investigate the allegations of sexual misconduct against Trump.

Similarly, though at a glacial pace, some republicans are disowning Moore too.

Zeke Miller
Zeke Miller
@ZekeJMiller
BIG: RNC National Committeewoman Joyce Simmons (NE) quits 168-member GOP governing body over RNC support for Moore. Her email to RNC members:

mobile.twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/940230425385070592/photo/1

Also

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Republican Rep. Will Hurd on Morning Joe: “I disagree with President Trump, on a recent thing, Roy Moore. I think Roy Moore is an abomination onto the Republican Party, and that’s one thing Republicans and Democrats agree on... the American people deserve better.”

This won’t help.

RiotWomenn
@riotwomennn
Bill Sailing served w Roy Moore in Vietnam. According to Sailing, he & Moore end up at a brothel with underage sex trafficking victims. It's a very bizarre story to share in public, especially in light of the allegations against Moore. Just really twisted & weird. 1 of 2 videos

mobile.twitter.com/riotwomennn/status/940438480274018304/video/1

Although there’s pushback to the pushback

Kaitlan Collins
Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
Steve Bannon, in what seems to be a direct shot at Ivanka Trump, says “there’s a special place in hell for Republicans who should know better.” Ivanka, of course, said there was a special place in hell for people who prey on children.

badbadhusky · 12/12/2017 07:05

Today is the first day of Hanukah this year. Ivanka may not be on message, but there is method in her tweet.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 07:07

I think this will be overlooked but it must have had a huge impact.

Shannon Watts
Shannon Watts
@shannonrwatts
Reporters and media execs who shaped Hillary Clinton campaign narrative and have been accused of sexual harassment or assault:
Mark Halperin
Jordan Chariton
Bill O'Reilly
Roger Ailes
Michael Oreskes
Glenn Thrush
Charlie Rose
Matt Lauer
Harold Ford Jr.
Tom Ashbrook
Ryan Lizza

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 07:08

No Russian required this time!

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
A jailed Russian hacker told a Moscow court in August that he hacked the DNC under the direction of the FSB. He identified his FSB handler as Dmitry Dokuchaev, who was arrested in Russia last December on treason charges.

<a class="break-all" href="https://amp.businessinsider.com/russian-hacker-democrats-dnc-intelligence-2017-12#click=t.co/iSlXg8QJcx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.businessinsider.com/russian-hacker-democrats-dnc-intelligence-2017-12#click=t.co/iSlXg8QJcx

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 07:16

Tom Parfitt
@parfitt_tom
Breaking: Putin has arrived for a surprise visit to the Khmeimim air base in Syria, where he is meeting Assad. Putin has issued an order for Russia to withdraw forces from Syria…

Molly McKew
@MollyMcKew
There is zero chance that Russia is actually going to withdraw all its forces from Syria after coercing Assad into giving them permanent basing rights on terms equal to occupied territories.

Molly McKew
@MollyMcKew
Putin orders "withdrawal" to "permanent locations" aka the bases Russia will keep in Syria, which are numerous.

Then

Trump to Let Assad Stay Until 2021, as Putin Declares Victory in Syria

www.newyorker.com/sections/news/trump-to-let-assad-stay-until-2021-as-putin-declares-victory-in-syria/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Also

Jim Sciutto
@jimsciutto
And there it is: #Putin announces two Russian bases in Syria, Tartus and Hmeimim, will continue to operate despite the Russian drawdown

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 07:29

More on detroying ballot records

Jennifer Cohn
@jennycohn1

  1. Horrifying news. Election protection advocate John Brakey won an important order earlier today 2 compel Alabama's SOS John Merrill 2 preserve the voting machine ballot images, which can detect & thus hacking. Merrill just got the order overruled by the AL Supreme Court.
  1. It really does make one wonder what Merrill wants to hide. Saving the images takes no work. No extra money. By destroying the images, Merrill may have destroyed the only means to know if the election results are hacked.
  1. As discussed in my earlier Threads, Alabama law allows an automatic recount only if the parties are within .5% of each other, and the recount is by MACHINE, not by HAND.
  1. By contrast, citizens cld have obtained the digital images w/ a public records request 2 conduct a citizen recount if the outcome appeared suspect. Now that will be impossible bc Alabama's partisan GOP SOS will allow the images to be destroyed.
  1. If Doug Jones loses, he could still try to get a court to order a hand recount of the paper ballots themselves. But as we saw in 2016, it is difficult to get such relief w/o proof of fraud, which is typically impossible to have without hand counting the paper ballots.
  1. And it is likewise difficult e to get a court to order a forensic audit of the voting machines bc vendors claim their code is proprietary. If nothing else, we can use this disheartening experience to educate the electorate about the perils of continuing to use voting machines.
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2017 07:32

Patricia Arquette
@PattyArquette
Alabama's Sec of State John Merrill went to Russia in 2016 to observe "election integrity": alabamanewscenter.com/2016/09/23/alabama-secretary-of-state-observes-russian-elections-deploys-local-sports-celebs-to-urge-voter-registration-at-home