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To think that bit is impossible to live off of benefits?

748 replies

Rolf38 · 30/11/2017 21:49

So Universal Credit rates are £498.89 an adult couple over the age of 25. This is meant to last them one whole month. So £250 per adult which works out at about £60 per week or just £8.57 per day.

How is someone meant to buy food, pay their bills and maintain a jobsearch at these rates?

I understand that some may think that by setting benefits at a low rate, there will be a greater incentive for recipients to return to work. This I understand and agree with to a point.

Surely though that danger of setting benefit rates too low is that it has the opposite effect. Claimants may reun the risk of getting in to debt, depression and lose the desire to maintain an active job search, along with any ambitions and aspirations they ever had.

Is met ting benefit rates too low a precursor to the increase of long term benefit claimants, simply by affording claimants less resources and willpower to maintain their job search?

After all, say if have been unemployed fir or three months. In this time, you have been so cash strapped that you haven't even been able to go to the cinema or meet an old friend, as bills and increasing debts have taken priority.

Without just a bit of enjoyment to boost morale, how less determined would a claimant be to give their job search their all as they would be if they could take their mind off of it for a bit.

For the couples payment too, I wouldn't be surprised if such a low payment to sustain two adults for a month may cause friction in the relationship, adding further restrictions to morale and job search.

Of course taxpayers money should be treated with the utmost respect.

However, is keeping benefit rates at such a low level proving more costly in the long run?

Why not add an incentive for job search for claimants? Increase UC payments by 10% for those who continually do all they can for their job search over a sustained period (say three months).

Such an increase, just form he most committed in their job search, would act as a continued incentive for the most determined to find work quicker (thus reducing long-term burdens on the taxpayers). Restricting an enhanced payment to just the most committed would also ensure that those not committed to athe or jobsearch and envisage a long-term existence on benefits find that this, beyond subsidence level, is not sustainable.

If you are doing everything you can in your jobsearch, why should you be unable to afford very basic enjoyments (even on a very occasional basis)? Why are those who put in the effort, in testing times, not differentiated from those who show no desire to come off benefits.

Perhaps in addition to sanctioning claimants who do not fulfill their commitments, the government should do more to help and reward the positive attitude to do all they can to get back to work.

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MargotMoon · 30/11/2017 22:55

Sorry x-post with lots of PP! Took me a while to type that out on my phone!

RJnomore1 · 30/11/2017 22:56

Wellquiz that's obviously your own fault because you've either not been able to afford to pay into a private pension, because you weren't earning enough and weren't trying f hard enough to get better paid work, or were too feckless to bother doing it.

I object to my taxes being paid in pensions to someone who was too lazy or reckless to make their own provision when they were younger.

Not nice is it?

So give it a by thanks.

christmaspudding1 · 30/11/2017 22:58

The weeks I can't work I have to live on 60 quid a week tax credits. If I can work then I get 90 quid

im confused,dosent your partner work in that week you dont,surley you dont have just £60 a week for 3 of you

Eltonjohnssyrup · 30/11/2017 22:59

Benefits are frozen at the moment and it hasn't taken into a/c the big cost of living changes caused by the fall in the pound.

This should be reviewed. I don't agree that benefits should be good enough to cover going out or treats and enjoyment, but it should be enough to feed yourself and pay the bills and it's not.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2017 22:59

Be nice to those on your way up or while you're at the top, Quiz.
As there's a good chance you'll meet them on your down, just saying

LapdanceShoeshine · 30/11/2017 22:59

@crazycatgal
I really can't feel sorry for people on UC who live with parents and don't have bills to pay. A PP said that their son has £70 a week to live on and they subsidise him

That was me. I wasn't asking anyone to feel sorry for him! (& anyway, although he wasn't self-supporting he was still expected to contribute to the household).

I was expressing sympathy for anybody in the same situation who doesn't have family in a position to help them out. £70pw isn't enough for rent, bills & food, let alone getting yourself to interviews etc. It's obscene.

YellowMakesMeSmile · 30/11/2017 22:59

It's impossible to live off

That can't be true otherwise so many wouldn't be choosing to live on benefits rather than gain work. Plenty have a child then decide they don't want to work so claim.

Whilst there may never be full employment there are jobs available that migrants do because it's easier for others to claim and net more than do a weeks hard work.

southboundagain · 30/11/2017 23:00

How is someone meant to buy food, pay their bills and maintain a jobsearch at these rates?

You manage because you have to, and you don't have any other option. In 2009, I was a student living off not much more than that per week (weekly budget £95) after my disability prevented me working alongside university, and my parents refused to support me. I got the 75% loan because of their income and what I could earn in the summer, and that was it. I didn't have to pay council tax (student) or travel from that (had a disabled bus pass) but I did have to pay all of my rent from that, unlike most people who'd be eligible for JSA etc.

It was utterly bloody miserable especially as no-one else around me had that ridiculous budget (I had approx £20/week for food and leisure after rent) and it's given me some habits that it's taken literally years to break since. But at the time, I had to make do because there was nowhere else to get money from and it was either that or drop out. People cut corners to cope, or they get in debt.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 23:01

@Christmas he is the same as me and can only work when there are shifts available. If no shifts then no pay and £60 for the week.

Also a lot of the shifts (events) are on the same day so only 1 of us can work.

Our other job is paid monthly. Again if no work then no pay.

Viviennemary · 30/11/2017 23:02

It will stop people saying that they can't afford to get a job as they will be much worse off than if they're working. That was a mad situation. I don't think choosing a life where you don't work and be kept by other taxpayers should be an option.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 23:04

DP is working tomorrow night and Sunday however he won't get paid for them until the 15th January.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 30/11/2017 23:09

That can't be true otherwise so many wouldn't be choosing to live on benefits rather than gain work. Plenty have a child then decide they don't want to work so claim.

I think you need to get a bit more up to date, it's not 2005. We have employment rates not seen for decades and so many people are in work it's economically considered full employment. Massive amounts of people have gone back to work.

There has been a huge curtailment in benefits for having children such as the amount of money and the number of children and how long you can take off to be at home. Teenage pregnancy rates have tumbled.

It's much more likely these days that those on benefits have no choice.

It's not like under Labour where it was a lifestyle choice and you were paid more than working.

YellowMakesMeSmile · 30/11/2017 23:10

It will stop people saying that they can't afford to get a job as they will be much worse off than if they're working. That was a mad situation. I don't think choosing a life where you don't work and be kept by other taxpayers should be an option.

I agree. Likewise no one should be able to do the odd few hours claiming children stop them from working. The sheer number that have children then don't support them is astounding and it's become so normal that parents aren't ashamed of the fact.

TriHard27 · 30/11/2017 23:12

There is an income based council tax reduction which runs alongside housing benefit in most councils.

You can still claim for it if you are receiving UC but have to apply separately to the council if that makes sense.

LapdanceShoeshine · 30/11/2017 23:13

We have employment rates not seen for decades and so many people are in work it's economically considered full employment

It's not proper 'full employment' as it used to be measured though, is it? Govt keeps changing measurement parameters Angry

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 23:14

I don't get UC at the moment. I imagine I'll get moved onto it soon.

LapdanceShoeshine · 30/11/2017 23:16

otherwise so many wouldn't be choosing to live on benefits rather than gain work

"choosing"

Angry
christmaspudding1 · 30/11/2017 23:18

does wow january thats a long wait

will you and dp both go onto universal credit,what will happen about looking for extra hrs under it

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2017 23:22

I don't think people 'choose' a life on benefits. I mean living (if you can call it that), on a pittance is certainly not a life to be jealous of, ffs

Originalfoogirl · 30/11/2017 23:23

The majority of claimants are tax payers.

Are tax payers or have been? If they are tax payers, they aren’t living solely on the benefit so aren’t the subject of this thread.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 30/11/2017 23:23

Plus people don't choose to get ill do they, and The unemployed can't force employers to give them work, can they.

YellowMakesMeSmile · 30/11/2017 23:28

I don't think people 'choose' a life on benefits.

Of course they do. One poster on this thread alone didn't return to work after maternity by choice so claims and there will be plenty of other examples on here let alone in real life.

It's not jealousy as lots wouldn't want to raise a child on benefits as it affects outcomes. Lots just want to see a better use of tax payers money than handing it to those that don't want to work or think the odd few hours is enough.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 23:31

No we don't qualify for UC or jsa etc as we both have 2 jobs so we aren't actively seeking work. We just do as much as we can when we can. It's miserable but we get by. We saved with park for the vouchers when I was getting my mat pay so Xmas is done etc.

We've lived off less tbh.

DoesHeWantToOrNot · 30/11/2017 23:32

@yellow you are talking about me. I only claim housing benefit. I have 2 jobs and so does my partner.

I did not go back by choice. I didn't go back as I couldn't afford the fee to go back.

manicinsomniac · 30/11/2017 23:42

YANBU, it's shocking

Though, on the plus side, there surely can't be many (non disabled/carer) couples where neither one is in work - especially couples without children. So those lowest calculations really shouldn't be applying to many people.

I have a friend who was on JSA for almost 2 years - single adult who had previously had an averagely paid, professional job and owned her own home so absolutely no top ups or additions to JSA at all, just her interest frozen on her mortgage and her £70 a week to live on. She could barely afford to leave her house by the end and it made her suicidal. Nobody should have to be in that situation.

I'm not saying life on benefits should be luxurious. But nor should it be miserable. Almost everyone on benefits would choose a different lifestyle for themselves if they could, I'm sure.

I don't support pushing able bodied claimants further into poverty in order to 'double' what is given to disabled people either - I don't see the need to rank reasons for not working in some kind of worthiness hierarchy. Whether you've lost your job, can't make work pay for whatever reason, have no qualifications or have a disability, you are still a human being with limited options at that point in your life - and you deserve to be able to actually have a life.