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To think this breath-takingly ill-thought-out, regressive, sexist nonsense and is a real danger to children with special needs?

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Betty185 · 30/11/2017 16:10

This is guidance from an NHS organisation in Scotland:

www.centralsexualhealth.org/media/8009/guidance-for-schools-trans-gender-variance.pdf

I draw your attention in particular to page 14 on children with additional support needs:

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

So essentially two and three year olds with special needs should be engaged in activities based on sexist stereotypes until they understand what boys do (play with trainsets, rough-and-tumble games?) and what girls do (dress as pink princesses and play with dolls?). Once they understand what a girl is and what a boy is (circa about the 1950s), they can be encouraged to explore whether they really are a girl or a boy. If they don't fit nicely in with the stereotypes of their sex, they'll be on a path to social transition, puberty blockers, hormones and surgery.

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Corcory · 04/12/2017 00:15

Well I've read the first couple of pages and the last couple. thought this was a thread about the Scottish NHS/Government writing guidelines about SEN children and telling professionals to install gender identity in the LOs!! Somewhere in the middle it turned into a Trans discussion!! How the did that happen?

Just for context I have two ASD children and live in Scotland. Never have I heard it suggested that I or anyone else promote our children's gender identity. Both our children have absolutely no problem identifying with their own gender so this idea that they might be confused is just bollocks.

Maryz · 04/12/2017 00:21

Ah, but what colour clothes do your children wear?

Because if they are the wrong ones, and they haven't yet got past their teens, be careful. Because you don't know what ideas they'll come home with some day.

Which is obviously a fucking stupid idea, but isn't (sadly) wrong Hmm

BeyondAssignation · 04/12/2017 08:25

"idea that they might be confused is just bollocks."

Your children may be fine, but the idea that children in general with asd - who have somewhat rigid thinking - may be confused (boys like football, I like football, I must be a boy) really isn't bollocks.
Speaking as an adult female with asd who has suffered from dysphoria in the past.

Datun · 04/12/2017 08:32

Both our children have absolutely no problem identifying with their own gender so this idea that they might be confused is just bollocks.

Be that as it may. The fact is that autism is massively over represented in the trans community.

zzzzz · 04/12/2017 09:23

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sillage · 04/12/2017 20:40

"Right, all you gender nonconforming kids. We are going to force you to conform.

After a programne of enforcement, if you still don’t conform, we can operate on you."

Well put, Datun.

Voice0fReason · 04/12/2017 21:36

No, no, no! This has to stop!
Our children are born male or female - let them express themselves however the hell they want to but they will always be the sex that they were born.
Enough of the stereotypes.

MakeMisogynyAHateCrime · 06/12/2017 20:03

I keep thinking about this and can’t get it out of my head. It is utterly, utterly bonkers.

Is there anyway to challenge these guidelines?

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