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To think this breath-takingly ill-thought-out, regressive, sexist nonsense and is a real danger to children with special needs?

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Betty185 · 30/11/2017 16:10

This is guidance from an NHS organisation in Scotland:

www.centralsexualhealth.org/media/8009/guidance-for-schools-trans-gender-variance.pdf

I draw your attention in particular to page 14 on children with additional support needs:

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

So essentially two and three year olds with special needs should be engaged in activities based on sexist stereotypes until they understand what boys do (play with trainsets, rough-and-tumble games?) and what girls do (dress as pink princesses and play with dolls?). Once they understand what a girl is and what a boy is (circa about the 1950s), they can be encouraged to explore whether they really are a girl or a boy. If they don't fit nicely in with the stereotypes of their sex, they'll be on a path to social transition, puberty blockers, hormones and surgery.

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Basseting · 30/11/2017 16:56

Have a look at the Named Person scheme if you think that is bad....
the Supreme Court threw it out and told the SNP to think again. They have tweaked it a bit so I think it is going back to Court.
The idea was okay - to have one 'named person' responsible for a child birth - 18 so that in cases of neglect /abuse the buck stopped with someone specific but it was SO badly rolled out. No one was trained, kids taught to talk to anyone but their parents about issues and the NP could be anyone other than the parent.
there is some really politocally dodgy stuff going on in Scottish public life, specifically education/NP/early years.

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notafish · 30/11/2017 16:56

However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity. How can any authority that works with children not see the pitfalls in keep pushing this narrative to children that we all have a 'true gender identity'? What happened to evidence-based practice?

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zzzzz · 30/11/2017 16:57

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Bucketsandspoons · 30/11/2017 16:58

What the actual fuck?

No. I've taught kids with SEN for over 20 years. No fucking way am I training a vulnerable child into imposed gender stereotypes I think is a bunch of shit anyway. This is beyond fucked up and has no business anywhere near children.

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GretchenFranklin · 30/11/2017 16:59

This is the most pitiful nonsense I've ever read. Has the whole world gone fucking mad?

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Gileswithachainsaw · 30/11/2017 16:59

Wtf Shock

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InvisibleKittenAttack · 30/11/2017 17:01

So the policy is that children should be actively taught gender roles, and any child not knowing them is treated as having a "problem"? So what about parents who don't believe in teaching their DCs gender roles, will their DCs be treated as having learning issues, rather than just being raised with different values?

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Copperkettles · 30/11/2017 17:04

This has to be a joke. It is mind-boggling that it's real. Gender isn't real. It's a social construct.


I am raging!

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 30/11/2017 17:07

My daughter was convinced she wanted to be a cat aged 4. Wouldn't talk, only miaowed, only answered her "pussy name". How we laughed...

Not now, it seems I need to fight for policies are not species phobic.

Feck right off with this fuckwittery.

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Uokbing · 30/11/2017 17:09

Wha...?

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VeraGrant · 30/11/2017 17:15

‘Gender assigned to them at birth’ - this shit is truly, truly scary. Please just concentrate on giving my son the education, health and social care he so desperately needs (and isn’t getting). Drop the swivel-eyed lunacy, I beg you

Mind you, the SEN world has never had much truck with evidence based practise!

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Uokbing · 30/11/2017 17:16

That whole thing just reads like someone is falling over themselves to be 'right on'.

Also interesting:
Vaccinations have historically been given to group of young people of all genders together in a large space in school. If vaccinations are sex specific, then it may be useful to arrange for the young person to have this done at the GP surgery rather than in school.*

So they admit that medically, objectively, universally truthfully a girl cannot be a boy. But to keep up the pretence that they can, it is best that girls have their girl only vaccinations away from everyone else so that we don't spoil the illusion that they are medically, objectively, universally truthfully... a boy?

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unplugmefromthematrix · 30/11/2017 17:16

WTF????!!! That is terrible. Terrible. It is terrifying and awful. And they said feminists were paranoid. Oh my fucking god. This has to stop.

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Superlandlady · 30/11/2017 17:18

From that same document:


Sex - the way a person’s body appears, sometimes wrongly, to indicate their gender. It is the assigned determiner on a person’s birth certificate.

Transgender - a person who feels the assigned gender and sex at birth conflicts with their true
gender.

Transitioning - the process by which a person starts to live in their true gender.

Transsexual - a Transgender person who lives full time in their true gender.

True Gender - the gender that a person truly feels they are inside.

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2sly4you · 30/11/2017 17:22

But god forbid they wear hijab as part of expressing their assigned gender identity, then they are being "sexualised" by their parents.

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unplugmefromthematrix · 30/11/2017 17:25

Maybe we need to get together a cohort of women from traditionally male dominated fields like science, lorry driving, computing, politics so they can demonstrate this this gender bollocks is divisive and regressive nonsense. Well it would be nonsense if it wan't be taken so seriously.

What would Michelle Obama say about this? Seemingly we have no powerful women in this country who will or can speak up about this. We live in really dangerous times.

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Maryz · 30/11/2017 17:30

Have you read this bit?

"Society only acknowledges two biological sexes and two gender categories: male or female. With each of these categories there are expectations and rules. These rules dictate standards for many things such as clothing, activities and behaviours and are not fixed laws but vary across societies and times."

They are saying that to fit into society, children must pick a "standard" - a type of clothing, a way of behaving, and a type of activity to fit their "gender".

Where are we? The 1920s?

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Fraying · 30/11/2017 17:33

This is interesting. We're in Scotland and a DC in DS' class has SN. DS came home one day to tell us that he'd been arguing about whether there were boy or girl activities. DS said 'no'. The other child said yes and came in the next day to confirm his DF said there were definitely programmes, colours, activities for girls and others for boys. I assumed his DF was sexist and regressive. From the OP, it appears he may just have been following advice. Shock

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BeyondAssignation · 30/11/2017 17:35

...and someone told me yesterday (on the batshit troll thread) that me saying they are sterilising disabled children was melodramatic Hmm

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youarenotkiddingme · 30/11/2017 17:38

My disabled ds loves a train, car, shopping trolley and buggy at that age!

Didn’t realise I should have removed 2 of them to make sure he ‘knew’ he was male HmmShock

Unsurprisingly he’s a 13 yo who is aware he’s male and is his own person.

Still loves spinning wheels though Grin

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unplugmefromthematrix · 30/11/2017 17:38

Yes Maryz I was just going to post about that.

Its madness, on the one hand it recognises that gender rules differ over societies and time, but then tells kids (and adults) to pick one set of the arbitrary rules and to ignore the reality of their own bodies to conform to these self-admittedly temporary and artificially constructed gender rules.

That has to be one of the most insane things I have ever read.

And aren't there actually only 2 biological sexes, even for people with intersex conditions. its not a matter of opinion, but scientific fact.

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Morphene · 30/11/2017 17:41

I actually feel a bit sick reading that.

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Morphene · 30/11/2017 17:43

So the idea is to train people to associate certain activities with certain sets of genitalia specifically so that if they don't like the set that matches their own genitalia they can be forced into surgery?

WTAF.

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Didactylos · 30/11/2017 18:02

What the fucking hell is this 'True Gender' with its breathless Victorian capitals?

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unplugmefromthematrix · 30/11/2017 18:05

yes morpehen and you know what? Encouraging a child, expecially a vulnerable special needs child, to mutilate their body and become sterile to match a made up set of rules, is literal and actual violence.

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