To feel politically lost?!

[MissBax]

Since being able to vote I have always been a labour supporter, but in more recent times I'm feeling more and more at a loss with who I feel truly represents me. The whole Lily Madigan Women's Officer saga has been the final straw. I just can't get on board with this bullshit and feel let down by this runaway PC brigade (which I admit I used to be a part of)! Anyone else feeling the same?!

In 2015, Darling joined the board of directors of financial services firm Morgan Stanley.

Well, if you think about it logically, the bank warned against investment in the utilities that Corbyn intends to nationalise. Its really just common sense on both sides, and will help reduce the cost of nationalisation.

So you have to support it no?

Or can you never deviate from any party line

Well, if you think about it logically, the bank warned against investment in the utilities that Corbyn intends to nationalise.

Well that is something.

Well that is something.

So you didn't look into it previously then, figures...

The revisionist attitudes of corbynites to the Blair years pisses me right off.

I never, at any point, said "Blair never did any good" I campaigned for Labour and was a party member from 1990 until ID cards.

It's not just Iraq though - ID cards, fucking ID cards. A failed Tory policy that Blair vehemently opposed in opposition - what the fuck were they up to?

As as for schools - PFI is all I can say - a wanky Majorite policy that Blair took and made his own.

I felt betrayed.

I never, at any point, said "Blair never did any good" I campaigned for Labour and was a party member from 1990 until ID cards.

To be fair the initial idea of ID cards was OK, until they went full authoritarian, and the only Party who are not interested in the creep of authoritarian government is Lib Dems, but like any opposition party they can promise anything whilst not in power.

"The wankers engaged in a huge school building programme to restore the crumbling classrooms of the 1980s under the Tories."

Yea, under PFI, the macroeconomic equivalent of a payday loan, which will be a millstone around the economy for decades.

I feel totally lost and cut adrift politically, as this quote by Hannah Arendt posted on another thread illustrates:

“The result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth and truth be defamed as a lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world—and the category of truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end—is being destroyed.”

I've always been a left-leaning green voter, except voting LD at the last GE when the Greens had a pact with the Libdems to not stand in strategic seats. Plus I probably would've voted strategically LD anyway as the anti-Tory choice. But my line in the sand is the anti-woman rhetoric and policy that comes from embracing identity politics... the Green's non-men debâcle, the WEP not even being able to clearly define a key word in their name, Labour promoting a teenage lad to a local women's officer post and ousting the hardworking women's officer in a nearby constituency, Tories pushing ahead with the GRA. I feel totally disorientated from familiar political bearings; it's like the world has shifted on its axis and compasses no longer work and maps bear no resemblance to the current terrain. I can't begin to grasp the reasons for the election of Trump

To be fair the initial idea of ID cards was OK

No it wasn't - it was always the product thick authoritians with a desire to waste public money for no benefit whilst trying to policy launder it. Lord knows why they resurrected a stupid idea that Micheal Howard had.

The letter that Liam Byrne wrote to his successor www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election

@Gingernaut, as I said in my first post. Yes, Brown had to do a massive bank payout, increasing the national debt, due to the financial crash which was the fault of all parties supporting bank deregulation initiated first by Thatcher and continued by all parties in power since. All at fault on that one.

Before Cameron won in 2010 Brown's policies after the 2008 crash were starting to stimulate the economy. Osborne and Cameron's austerity drive hasn't worked, apart from causing misery, and the national debt has increased hugely under their power, by £550 billion since Osborne and Cameron came into power in 2010. They have not been good stewards of the British economy. Not to mention Cameron recklessly allowing an EU referendum to sort out his party's divisions and gambling country would vote to remain. UK didn't and more economic hardship is to follow. There is an argument Brown should have kept a surplus in the boom years (he did first few years) but there was years of Tory underspending in public services to address.

I don't like the Labour party very much. Too many champagne socialists in their ivory towers telling us we should care about all these people living in poverty. Not mad on the Tories either. And Lib Dems had their chance once but they're finished now IMHO. A middle of the road party is what is needed. And there isn't really one now.

Too many champagne socialists in their ivory towers telling us we should care about all these people living in poverty.

This always confuses me:

"Oooh, Benedict Cumberbatch says we should care about the poor. Put me right off the poor."

I never have been able to make that join up.

I don't mind Lilly Allen speaking out on whatever is on her mind.

I would vote Labour if my lovely MP was representative of the party leadership. But they are not.

I would never vote Tory as they clearly do not care about anybody other than the rich

On a national basis I would vote LibDem.
People need to grow up about the Student Loan stuff and realise how effectively they held the Tories back for five years.

A hung parliament and then PR of some sort is the only way forward for the UK

I live in a Labour stronghold that has never voted anything else since the year dot, they don't even need to try for votes anymore, it's pathetic, this area is destroyed, but all we ever get is "Thatcher did it", that may have flown 25 years ago, but not now.

The same can be said for Tory strongholds where they have voted Tory from before the Labour party came into being. They also don't bother to try to win votes, and their story is "It's all Labour's fault".

I've always been a bit of a floating voter and cynical of people who view political parties as akin to football teams and you loyally support your team regardless. But I currently am struggling to think who I'd vote for if an election was called now.

I don't think the Conservatives are doing a good job at all, and do need to be replaced, yet the alternatives right not don't look better. Lib Dems are the closest for me, but agree, the "trans rights > womans rights" view is unsettling and they are on that bandwagon too.

Hopefully by the time we do have another election, something will have shifted and someone will apear to be No. 10 worthy. Not seeing it now.