To feel politically lost?!

[MissBax]

Since being able to vote I have always been a labour supporter, but in more recent times I'm feeling more and more at a loss with who I feel truly represents me. The whole Lily Madigan Women's Officer saga has been the final straw. I just can't get on board with this bullshit and feel let down by this runaway PC brigade (which I admit I used to be a part of)! Anyone else feeling the same?!

Yeah PinkCrystal, but the current party administration pay only lip service to the values, have been swayed by lobby groups and vested interests who should have been told to fuck off and who simply aren't listening to the electorate.

All parties have values they stand for. Or say they stand for. The devil is in the detail. And what they actually DO.

All parties have values they stand for.

Thatcher: there is no such thing as society.

Tory Social Darwinism.

Ah, you're back makeourfuture. Care to explain your "This kid had nothing at all to do with Jo Cox's murder. There is no connection at all between the two." ??

For me it falls into Ideology. I will never be pro big state so will never vote labour/left. I'm very pro social enterprise and small state so will always go centre or right of centre.

Staying with voting local as I respect my MP. The rest is just like quicksand to me. As soon as I think I have a handle on stuff, the ground shifts again.
I feel like I am in some kind of virtual reality.

This kid had nothing at all to do with Jo Cox's murder. There is no connection at all between the two." ??

Just what the hell is this shit all about ?

Just what the hell is this shit all about ?

The Jo Cox Women in Leadership Award is awarded to 'experienced', women Labour Party members who wish to go forward into leadership roles.

Named in memory of the late Jo Cox.

The teenage transvestite, Lily (Liam) Madigan who has shut down the Twitter account he made homophobic and misogynistic tweets from after blaming his brother is a Women's Officer in Rochester & Strood.

This is after a school career, where he hired a law firm to force his Catholic school to recognise

After helping to orchestrate the campaign to hound the lesbian woman who was the Women's Officer, out of her position.

The CLP's entire Executive Committee resigned with her in protest at her treatment.

His little brother was none too thrilled at being thrown under a bus to save his brother's burgeoning political career.

Lily/Liam has since applied for the Jo Cox Award. The first transgender 'woman' to do so.

He is supported by Adrie Van Der Meer, who has shut down his Twitter account, after his disgusting tweets were finally brought to the attention of someone further up the food chain.

I'm another one who suspects a lot of the 'trans' stuff is bots/meddling by dodgy organisations. (Not Madigan - Madigan is a fucked-up, unpleasant, attention-seeking Useful Idiot and not nearly smart enough to co-ordinate any such thing. Nor is s/he motivated by anything more than a blazing desire for notoriety and fans.) I think the 'backers' are mainly alt-right/MRAs and the constant pitching of it as a struggle between transwomen and feminists (completely ignoring transmen, the non-binary, people who cross dress for sexual kicks but are not predators etc) is predominantly about removing women's rights.

This subjective, science rejecting, conflation of sex and gender flies in the face of rational logic, scientific fact and the experience and knowledge of women across the social spectrum.

As it seems to have become the latest orthodoxy, Parliament has become its own soundproof echo chamber.

Unless no one votes next time around, no one will listen.

And the complaints about Adrie Van Der Meer were not upheld, in spite of screenshots of his misogynistic abuse, as it was soo long ago.

It is a total shambles. Non of the main parties appeal outright to me to be honest. I have always been a Tory voter but I understand some of the criticism that has been levelled against them. However I would never, EVER vote Labour after the mess they left following their last run in office and I do not feel the Lib Dems are capable of leading effectively. I am however, deeply disappointed by the Tory party. Teresa May has been an embarrassing let down and the party is full of infighting by MPs who are more interested in their own selfish agendas than anything else. However I still feel that this is no excuse to not vote. Women died for our right to vote in this country and the deliberate spoiling of ballot papers / refusal to vote is an insult to those brave women who dared speak out against the men who ruled over them. At least vote for the least worst option or consider voting for one of the lesser known parties. If you don't vote then you can hardly complain later on when it's too late. Voter apathy is probably one of the main reasons Brexit is happening afterall. Women's rights are being eroded and by not voting we are playing right into their hands.

However I would never, EVER vote Labour after the mess they left following their last run in office

All other issues aside, if when referring to mess you mean the increasesd national debt due to the bank bailout this was due to a global banking crash. I believe Thatcher began the deregulation of the banks then continued by all parties that paved the way for the financial crash. I haven't got evidence to hand but I recall reading the Tory party supported even further financial deregulation when they were in opposition. Labour should have put more regulation in but it was supported by Tories all the way.

The letter that Liam Byrne wrote to his successor.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election

@Gingernaut - Lily Madigan won't be the first TIM on the Jo Cox leadership programme - there were two on the first one.

It is supposed to be for 'passionate and experienced women'.

Anna Lee stood for NUS women's officer last year and lost. He is now 24.

Sophie Cook was an RAF engineer but came out in 2015, dumped his wife and kids and stood for Labour in this year's election (and lost).

And we all know about Lily.

So none of them fill the 'experienced' brief. And women who applied were turned down in favour of Anna and Sophie. So Corbyn can fuck off with his misogynist inclusion shit. Not in my name.

Jeremy has fired a shot across the bow of Morgan Stanley:

"Corbyn said the greed of bankers had plunged the world into crisis a decade ago and the UK was still paying the price because the Conservative party had “used the aftermath of the financial crisis to push through unnecessary and deeply damaging austerity”.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/30/jeremy-corbyn-morgan-stanley-labour-brexit

For the many, Not the few!

"Economics Nobel prize laureate Joseph Stiglitz, for instance, argued that "[w]hen repeal of Glass-Steagall brought investment and commercial banks together, the investment-bank culture came out on top", and banks which had previously been managed conservatively turned to riskier investments to increase their returns"

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_legislation

Women died for our right to vote in this country and the deliberate spoiling of ballot papers / refusal to vote is an insult to those brave women who dared speak out against the men who ruled over them.

I agree with you on the first part. I don't agree that spoiling the ballot paper is in the same league as those who don't vote. At least your paper gets counted as a spoilt vote. That in itself sends a message. It's not the same as just not voting - no one then knows whether it's a protest or you just can't be bothered.

makeourfuture

You are beginning to sound like a Labour bot.

Oh and they certainly aren't for the many not the few at the moment.

Piglet, there was an interesting piece of footage taken after the crash. Taken at Davos.

One of the financiers was strolling out, having just received a blank cheque from the tax payer.

A reporter asked, "Will these bailouts allow banks to loan more and stimulate economies?"

This guy grins like a jackal and says, "Ha, it's just filling in the hole."

Now in one sense he was just being candid. If the banks had crashed, it would have been catastrophic. But it is of interest that he took it so casually. That if they lost huge sums, we just had to make up their losses. Too big to fail.

Nothing of real effect has been done under this Conservative regime to correct this.

Makeourfuture is a momentum bot. All over here during the election.

"Corbyn said the greed of bankers had plunged the world into crisis a decade ago and the UK was still paying the price because the Conservative party had “used the aftermath of the financial crisis to push through unnecessary and deeply damaging austerity”.

make

It must be quite mentally tiring to be a pro-EU Labour supporter. One minute you're on the side of the bankers when they put out their doom & gloom predictions regarding Brexit and how they plan to move to Germany or France. You eagerly post the stories and share them around.

But then Jezza comes along and says that Labour is a threat to them, which is actually quite likely to make them reconsider their plans too should there be a Labour government, and now you're not sure what to do.

I feel the same OP.

Always been labour. My local MP is pretty good. I prefer labour policies to conservative. I initially liked JC.

However over the last 3 month my opinion on labour and JC in particular have changed. Mainly to do with the trans issues and also the MP who spoke out about the sex abuse scandal in Rotherham and other areas. I felt he could have made a massive point about both that would have made a real difference. His response to both have been to ignore the rights of women and of children.

Otoh I can't vote conservative. They are a bunch of utter, utter cunts. Lib dem is neither here nor there and in the next general election I really want labour to win. But not with JC in charge.

We seem to have swung further left and further right politically. A middle ground policy with a credible leader and party would be nice.

If a member of the Society of Engineering says a bridge is unsafe as the struts have failed a stress test, do you say, "Oh they are an engineering bot, ignore"?

My political affiliation has nothing to do with reckless, poorly-regulated banking crashing the World's economy.

And let me tell you, those guys at Davos are still filling in that hole