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To feel politically lost?!

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MissBax · 29/11/2017 22:20

Since being able to vote I have always been a labour supporter, but in more recent times I'm feeling more and more at a loss with who I feel truly represents me. The whole Lily Madigan Women's Officer saga has been the final straw. I just can't get on board with this bullshit and feel let down by this runaway PC brigade (which I admit I used to be a part of)! Anyone else feeling the same?!

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makeourfuture · 01/12/2017 09:06

It must be quite mentally tiring to be a pro-EU Labour supporter

The ball is in play. We are just starting a long, long process. Brexit may be (and I feel it is) not doable.

There are quite a few things I do not like about the EU. The power of the financial industry. Farm subsidies. They can be better addressed in than out.

MissMoneyPlant · 01/12/2017 09:21

I loathe trans activists because of the amount of blood they will have on their hands - including my own, most likely. Utterly bonkers, bringing down the Left. The dead and starving disabled people will be on their conscience - except they don't have one.

Justanotherlurker · 01/12/2017 09:27

There are quite a few things I do not like about the EU. The power of the financial industry. Farm subsidies. They can be better addressed in than out.

Just a shame that JC is anti-eu then, I mean it was in the fully costed manifesto how he wanted to end FOM.

Like I say, it must be bind, you keep having to go through so much mental gymnastics as to project an image of Labour and JC that in some instances even contradicts your own momentum soundbites.

MissWilmottsGhost · 01/12/2017 09:32

I have always been a lefty, but I cannot vote for a party that throws women under the bus Sad

stormnigel · 01/12/2017 10:15

Worse than even feeling 'lost' is that I've lost so much faith that I can't even be bothered to think about politics at all in general just now. I hear things about brexit on the news and I just turn it off as I lack the faith to even mentally involve myself with it. I'm just so disappointed with politics and politicians in general....

wasonthelist · 01/12/2017 10:28

A middle ground policy with a credible leader and party would be nice.

No it wouldn't - it'd be Blair 2.0 who wants that?

Peregrina · 01/12/2017 10:44

No it wouldn't - it'd be Blair 2.0 who wants that?

Well, initially Blair did some good things. He put more money into Education. He carried on with the work towards the Good Friday Agreement which Major had started. If the silly idiot hadn't gone to war in Iraq he would probably have gone down as a good PM. As it stands, Iraq has wrecked his legacy.

I am not a Labour supporter, so not speaking up on his behalf out of loyalty.

LakieLady · 01/12/2017 10:47

Look at the values each party generally stands for. For me it's Labour and always has and will be

Me too, and I won't be making any changes because of a spectacular piece of idiocy by Rochester CLP.

Sadly, I live in a Lib/Con marginal, so have to vote tactically. That's grim for someone who has been a Labour supporter since Harold Wilson was leader.

Biker47 · 01/12/2017 10:49

No it wouldn't - it'd be Blair 2.0 who wants that?

Given that he was the main reason Labour were even in power in recent years, I'd say a lot of people.

People like to pitch their flags solidly on the furthest reaches of either side of the field and say "I'm left, or I'm right", but slight swings from either direction in the centre of the field usually covers alot of bases for alot of people on both sides. I'd sooner shit in my hand and clap than vote for current Labour, and they'd have to be a lot closer to the centre for me to even entertain voting for them. I live in a Labour stronghold that has never voted anything else since the year dot, they don't even need to try for votes anymore, it's pathetic, this area is destroyed, but all we ever get is "Thatcher did it", that may have flown 25 years ago, but not now.

wasonthelist · 01/12/2017 10:58

Biker47 I'd lvoe to know how a wishy-washy Tory-lite Labour party is supposed to help your area - Blair didn't did he?

Biker47 · 01/12/2017 11:51

No he didn't. No-one is going to help this area, but having career politicians who don't even have to try for their votes here because of the dogmatic approach of "my grandad voted Labour, so I'll vote for them, even though they've done nothing to help here", so subsequently don't care isn't acceptable either. I'd take a Tory lite Labour party as a central government, over whatever shite hellhole Corbyn would be at the helm of.

makeourfuture · 01/12/2017 12:41

I live in a Labour stronghold that has never voted anything else since the year dot, they don't even need to try for votes anymore, it's pathetic, this area is destroyed, but all we ever get is "Thatcher did it", that may have flown 25 years ago, but not now.

Not to pick at your thoughts..

But if Thatcher's policies did indeed cause your area harm (I have no idea where you are), and all we have had really is a continuation of those policies.....what exactly should be expected?

NettleTea · 01/12/2017 13:23

Can I ask you to look at this thread please, and add your support if you feel able www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101669-A-Spartacus-letter-re-Jo-Cox-Leadership

Aweektilltheseason · 01/12/2017 13:36

I think the sooner people stop feeling obliged to vote for one party for life the easier you'll find the process

this!! Its not a religion!

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 01/12/2017 13:44

Always have voted labour and have been a party member on and off for many years

Voted LibDem in last election

I cancelled my membership and was contacted and reinstated it the only reason is to vote Corbyn/Momentum out when there is the chance to that won’t be for some time yet

Will not vote Labour whole Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum and leading the party and wtf are they doing about Brexit fuck all becuase Corbyn supports Brexit. Rather than messages about how they shall challenge the government over Brexit I get emails regarding Corbyn mugs and note books Hmm

Voted LD in election as I felt they are at least challenging the government over Brexit and holding to to account or at least trying to

Feel totally lost hoping Labour split and new middle to left party forms as a left leaning Labour Party will never get in power and even with an increase in seats have proved themselves totally incapable of holding the government to account

Biker47 · 01/12/2017 13:55

But if Thatcher's policies did indeed cause your area harm (I have no idea where you are), and all we have had really is a continuation of those policies.....what exactly should be expected?

I don't believe they are a continuation of those policies though, Thatcher is an easy scapgoat to hurl any and all reasons of failure in ex-mining Northern England towns (where I'm from), which is what happens, I believe there was a myriad of reasons why industries declined in this region, and it was only partly Thatcher and the government of the time, same as today, same as 97-10. Globalisation, outdated union practices and increased and better communications capacity has had a bigger role in destroying mining industry than Thatcher ever had her hand in.

makeourfuture · 01/12/2017 13:57

Let's be clear.

Labour did not propose the Referendum.
The vast majority of Labour members voted remain.

The blame lies solely and completely on the Tory party.

WitchesHatRim · 01/12/2017 14:01

The vast majority of Labour members voted remain.

Not all Labour voters are members, by any stretch of the imagination.

BishBoshBashBop · 01/12/2017 14:05

and all we have had really is a continuation of those policies.

By all those in power, which includes Labour too.

I do however admire you continuing to bang the Labour drum no matter what. It's almost like they could never do any wrong in your eyes.

Balearica · 01/12/2017 14:07

I also feel politically lost. I am utterly tired of the current party political system and feel there is a real lack of talent across all the political parties at the moment.

I am also fed up with (i) the juvenile way politicians behave to each other - if an issue is worth of debating then actually debate it, make an articulate reasoned case for your views and allow the other side to do the same, then come to a sensible consensus - we are not all idiots and I am tried of braying performers who are incapable of compromise (ii) the current voting system, I live in a borough where what I vote will not affect the result, so why should I bother? Time for one person one vote surely (iii) trans bollocks - I have no time for anyone who aims to achieve their causes by aggression and silencing debate. The whole thing seems to be yet another example of men bullying women.

I will be spoiling my ballot paper again.

oldbirdy · 01/12/2017 14:11

wasonthelist It'd be Blair 2.0 who wants that?

The revisionist attitudes of people corbynites to the Blair years pisses me right off.
It was terrible how they led the Northern Ireland peace accord, wasn't it? Dreadful how they gave devolved power to Scotland and Ireland. Nasty fuckers made a huge Surestart programme of subsidised nursery places and gave 15 hours free childcare to parents. Bastards extended maternity leave from 6 months to a year. The wankers engaged in a huge school building programme to restore the crumbling classrooms of the 1980s under the Tories. The bastards started DLA and tax credits for working families. They extended university reach and had aspirations that 50% of people would be able to attend university (which meant some fees).

And yes there was a war in Iraq, which was a terrible mistake.

Corbynites would make out that the whole Blair government was a disaster from start to finish.

Let me tell you that government was the best I ever lived and if a person in the mould of Blair 2.0 came to power I would weep for joy.

Gingernaut · 01/12/2017 14:18

*Let's be clear.

Labour did not propose the Referendum.
The vast majority of Labour members voted remain.*

Maybe so, but it's not just up to party members to vote.

It's up to the entire electorate.

The signals from the party leadership will sway undecideds and neither party covered themselves with glory.

Nearly half the eligible electorate failed to vote at all. Those that did, voted, marginally to leave.

So what if the Labour Party majority voted remain?

They were outnumbered massively.

Frouby · 01/12/2017 14:22

I would go a Blair 2.0 as well. Also live in an ex northern mining town and hear the same blame game being spouted time and time again.

The war in Iraq was a mistake. But if there hadnt been a war then who knows what would have happened. It has been proven that it was an illegal war. But I think it was an early war. If they had waited 6 months or 12 months or 18 months more then it would possibly have become a legal and very necessary war.

A New Ĺabour style party would be very welcome just now. But we have an Old Labour likely to get in. Full of union men and sexist, middle aged dinosaurs that have promised the moon on a stick to middle class youths who have been shafted by the baby boomers.

makeourfuture · 01/12/2017 14:23

I do however admire you continuing to bang the Labour drum no matter what. It's almost like they could never do any wrong in your eyes.

It is often said Alistair Darling was the architect of Tory austerity.

In 2015, Darling joined the board of directors of financial services firm Morgan Stanley.

Junebugjr · 01/12/2017 14:29

Always voted Labour and considered myself far left.
I was a full fledged Corbyn supporter until this trans debacle which stinks from top to bottom of misogyny and male entitlement.
No idea who I'd vote for if another election came up on us.