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To be bothered by how much we consume as a society...

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Cakelesswonder · 24/11/2017 20:58

Don't get me wrong I love a retail therapy session but today just felt utterly gluttonous in the amount of ads for Black Friday, the 'deals, I couldn't move for emails offering me 20% off lots of things I don't need. I'm not suggesting everyone knits their own yogurt and lives like Mormons but I really feel we don't have the resources on Earth to keep consuming, throwing and consuming like we do. Everything is disposable, straws, clothes, we buy water in bottles then throw them away polluting the oceans and planet for ourselves and future generations. I have no idea what the overall solution is but it really got to me today Sad.

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ChardonnaysPrettySister · 27/11/2017 12:51

Actually, yes, we do have a milkman.

I'd forgotten that.
Milk bottle, reusable. That makes sense.

SoMuchToBits · 27/11/2017 12:56

BadLad, it would be even better to borrow the book from the library! I only ever buy books if I think I'm really likely to read the book again, or keep referring to it (like cookbooks, dictionaries etc). Otherwise I borrow either from friends or from the library, where it's really easy (and free) to reserve stock.

karriecreamer · 27/11/2017 13:00

it would be even better to borrow the book from the library

Indeed. I either read books on my kindle or order/borrow from our library. Can't remember the last time I bought a physical book to read.

Nyx1 · 27/11/2017 13:04

Thanks for answers on yogurt

we don't get through much milk at all though I would love a glass bottle delivery anyway

but we do eat a lot of yogurt so that's a thing, though the milk powder thing has confused me more.

BadLad, re advertising, most of my friends know all about that, or even work in it, but still want the stuff.

Honestly if we had more contacts who were interested in living this way, we'd try and buy some land and see what we could do as a commune! I do know a family in Spain thinking of going self sufficient but I don't think I've a cat's chance in hell of persuading them to return to live here in this weather Grin

GhostsToMonsoon · 27/11/2017 13:11

I'd like to see all toilet paper wrapped in paper (preferable unbleached) rather than plastic. That's got to be a simple change and would affect every single household?

I agree, it would be great if supermarkets did that. I buy Who Gives a Crap? toilet paper which does that.

makeourfuture - of course most people pay taxes. But only a tiny percentage goes on foreign aid. We shouldn't be in a situation where we have food banks either but that doesn't mean people refuse to give to them.

Cagliostro · 27/11/2017 13:31

I haven't caught up yet (getting to grips with the MN app) so sorry if repeating but I was thinking more about the planned obsolescence thing. I think the whole gendered toys plays a part too, pressuring you to buy twice if you have a boy and a girl, rather than all kids passing down the same clothes/toys

RebeccaBunch · 27/11/2017 13:39

I love that "Who Gives A Crap" loo roll - but it is expensive no matter what they say.

For real change we need supermarkets wrapping their own brand stuff in paper.

Same for bamboo toothbrushes etc - they need to be more widely available and "normal" rather than a premium price. I hope this change is happening.

Viewofhedges · 27/11/2017 13:40

Small victory thanks to this thread - my work secret Santa organiser has agreed to make it second hand (or consumable) Santa and mention why in the rules.

GhostsToMonsoon · 27/11/2017 13:50

I met someone recently who was trying to get local businesses to stop using plastic straws. It's part of a wider campaign called "Sip Not Suck".

I think I am going to contact my children's school about their catering arrangements. Every lunchtime they serve the drinks and desserts in plastic cups and the bins are overflowing. (They use washable plates).

Nyx1 · 27/11/2017 13:51

@Viewofhedges - that's great!!

does "who gives a crap" come with that written all over the box? I guess it does. Could be interesting for neighbours Grin

Chowmum · 27/11/2017 13:54

Nyx1 Oh, yes - great big box with their logo on it.

Vitalogy · 27/11/2017 14:02

Has anyone heard of this movement?

www.onesmalltown.org

Zapdos · 27/11/2017 14:13

My tumble dryer was one of the faulty ones that was at risk of bursting into flames. The manufacturers offered to either repair it for free or replace it with a newer model for £60.

I opted for repair, and the person on the end of the phone was genuinely surprised as most other people had opted for a brand new machine. I was horrified! What a massive waste.

I love getting second hand bargains. Both DS's 'main' Christmas presents are second hand and they wont even notice.

Mrscog · 27/11/2017 14:16

I've been reading this thread with interest as I've been thinking the same. I think some of the key lies with not being too sanctimonious. So earlier on the thread someone said 'if you're not going to just buy your kids 1 present for Christmas then you're not really serious'. The thing is, that just sounds hardcore to lots of people and then people disengage. It's about promoting the small steps people can take and then build on. And being encouraging/reminding. It's like I was going to drive up to school in a bit to do the school run, but now, I'm thinking no - it's only 500m, I'm going to get the pushchair out and bloody well walk with DS2.

I might start a 'save the planet' what small steps have you taken today? thread - what you you all think?

Chowmum · 27/11/2017 14:34

Zapdos we had a new one. But our original one had been a complete lemon, and we'd had to have someone out to repair it 3-4 times a year every year since we got it. Glad to see the back of it.

Juancornetto · 27/11/2017 14:38

Really good idea Mrscog Smile - whack it in the Ethical Living board for traffic!

And yy to not being sanctimonious - and also for many of us recognising our privilege . We were saying on the Low impact Christmas thread about using greenery from the garden to decorate presents, not something you'll be able to do if you live in a tower block with no transport readily available to you; if you live in a food desert you're not going to be that bothered about plastic packaging - you'll buy what's available. And if you're struggling to make ends meet and working two jobs to get buy, you'll always go for the easiest, quickest
and probably most packaged option for food

@mrsmuddlepies you were right saying we shouldn't use our sex to excuse our wastefulness but tbh it is much easier for my husband to hang out clothes to dry than it is for me. Because I not only have to hang the clothes out to dry, I also have to supervise two year old DD and stop her running full pelt round the garden and into the greenhouse while I do it. Last year the ONS found that women do 40% more housework on average than men. While the burden is so unequal, women will always be tempted to go for the easiest, least time consuming option even if it does mean more material waste.

tittysprinkles · 27/11/2017 14:58

Completely agree with all the sentiments on this thread. But I don't believe anything will change without legislation, and for that we need a government who care for the environment more than their business cronies.

Every time I see a discarded coffee cup or plastic bottle I think of how the corporations like Starbucks, nestle etc are getting away from any of the responsibility of the mess and damage their products cause. And how our governments have prioritised the needs of corporations over simple things like litter bins, litter collectors, recycling facilities and numerous other things that would improve the environment. Individual action alone will not be enough.

Please read The Affluent Society by the economist JK Galbraith. It was written nearly 60 years ago but the basic gist is that American (and western) society's measure of success is based on endless productivity and unsustainable growth. I read it earlier this year and couldn't believe the prescience of it. In it he says

"American demand for goods and services is not organic. That is, the demands are not internally created by a consumer. These such demands - food, clothes, and shelter - have been met for the vast majority of Americans. The new demands are created by advertisers and the "machinery for consumer-demand creation" that benefit from increased consumer spending. This exuberance in private production and consumption pushes out public spending and investment."

He called this the dependence effect, a process by which "wants are increasingly created by the process by which they are satisfied".

Another memorable passage from the book;

"The family which takes its mauve and cerise, air-conditioned, power-steered and
power-braked automobile out for a tour passes through cities that are badly paved,
made hideous by litter, blighted buildings, billboard and posts for wires that
should long since have been put underground. They pass on into a countryside that has been rendered largely invisible by commercial art. (The goods which the latter advertise have an absolute priority in our value system. Such aesthetic
considerations as a view of the countryside accordingly come second. On such
matters we are consistent.) They picnic on exquisitely packaged food from a portable icebox by a polluted stream and go on to spend the night at a park which
is a menace to public health and morals. Just before dozing off on an air mattress,
beneath a nylon tent, amid the stench of decaying refuse, they may reflect vaguely
on the curious unevenness of their blessings. Is this, indeed, the American
genius?”

This was written in 1958.

As individuals I believe that we all need to take responsibility but it will take a massive societal shift before any real change will come about. I hope to see it in my lifetime.

AvoidingDM · 27/11/2017 14:59

Badlad which book would you recommend I have a few people who could do with reading it.

While I fully agree the recycle message is getting through esp in areas where people have 4 bins outside the door. But it's the non-recycle able waste that really annoys me regardless of how many times its used.

Why aren't car seat sellers obliged to take old ones for recycling? It's recommended we all buy new children's car seats that means every car seat ends up in landfill.

Somebody mentioned old furniture at least your grannies wooden table will rot away. It's the disposal of laminated chipboard that worries me.

AvoidingDM · 27/11/2017 15:05

What about a new sofa I plan to avoid electric motors. Leather is double the price but again it should rot rather than a man made fibre one.

Am i on the right track?

Yes it should be used until is absolutely done either by us or passed onto somebody else but eventually it will end up in a tip.

clearsommespace · 27/11/2017 15:09

I have just emailed my the head office of local supermarket to ask whether they can rethink the plastic packaging on their own brand 100% recycled fibres toilet paper that I buy.

clearsommespace · 27/11/2017 15:19

I suspect natural wicker furniture would be more environmentally friendly than leather. You could make your own cushions stuffed with unwearable clothes.

I don't think I am ready for that though so I am glad our 14 year old sofa is still fine!

karriecreamer · 27/11/2017 15:31

Re reducing the use of plastic, I did read somewhere that as it's a by-product of the oil refining industry, it'll still end up as "waste" for disposal whether we use it first or not. It was said that if no plastic is used at all, the waste from oil refineries will be huge and will need to be disposed of, so overall, not that much difference in the big scheme of things sadly (unless the article was a load of rubbish). It said similar about jet fuel which is likewise a by product of oil refineries and also needs using up, hence why it's cheap.

User5trillion · 27/11/2017 16:51

AVOIDING - can you look for a 2nd sofa? There are always loads for sale, then its reuse. But if its something you will use until it falls apart then rather than change for a new look it might be a good environmental investment. Leather is a by product of the meat industry. Yes to a manual riser over a motor one. I have never bought a new sofa as never had the means but might if I bought a very good quality one that would be worth recovering as it aged, thus extending its useful life.

Mrscog · 27/11/2017 16:57

YY avoiding my friend bought a beautiful pair of sofas off Gumtree for £300. In amazing condition and really luxurious. It's worth keeping a look out - I'm big on reuse!

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