To think that the council shouldn't put problem families together

[dimondjedi9]

Either side of me I have lovely neighbours, they care about their children and just generally want a nice peaceful life.
Going further down and there are many problem families, police attending regularly and kids left to run riot.
I live in a new estate and to begin with it was lovely, now it has an awful reputation.
I don’t like my son playing out because of bullying and when you try to discuss it with the parents you get a lot of abuse.
I don’t understand why the council put all these families in the same place, it creates such an awful environment.

Jesus wept, now you want people's kids taken away from them before the kids even do anything!

Since when did people have their kids removed because the children did something wrong?

They should be removed to give them an actual chance in life, because they don't have one in the kind of family we are talking about here.

Lots of knee-jerk posting here.

Just because I object to child cruelty and antisocial behaviour does not make me a rabid, Daily Fail reader.

Do you know who suffers most from the bad behaviour of some families? Other, often poor, families in the same neighbourhood.

WaxOnFeckOff I am in mid 50s and spent some of my childhood with parents on benefits. We walked everywhere and got nothing over and above basic benefits. We were very poor and lived in a very rough area. And actually there was nothing for the kids who misbehaved, except a popular weekly disco organised by the police.

I agree that such families have a disproportionate impact on other poor families. I know this from experience.

Same here, Brasty.

Ruins lives and blights childhoods.

Children deserve better. Society deserves better

Absolutely right. And never, not once in the course of history, has writing off an entire group of people ever been a catalyst for change.
The people that so many posters are talking about aren’t on the fringes of society by chance, they were put there by attitudes sadly all too prevalent both in RL and on this thread. How have we got to a stage where it’s acceptable to just lump a group of people together and write them off? I thought leper colonies were back in the Middle Ages where they belong!
These are people, actual human beings with thoughts, feelings, aspirations, lives and futures. The way to change negative behaviour and negative impacts on the wider community is education, inclusion and the creation of community and prospects.
Not sitting in a fucking ivory tower sneering about the peasants.

They wrote themselves off.
I was there.

@MrMeeseekscando I live beside one of the worst estates in the UK (according to a poll), and not in my experience they didn’t. Even if they did, we do what? Just let them get on with it without helping? What does that say about us?

And what about their kids?

That help is thrown back more often than not.
Breaking the cycle with the kids is the only way in my opinion. The parents don't value education so that escape route is out.
It has to be unattractive to repeat the cycle. Is has to be unattractive to produce large families and not support them yourself.

So what happens to the children while we try to change the parents behaviour? Do they have to put up with it in the meantime? They get to grow up in an atmosphere where being assaulted and called a cunt is normal? That’s ok while we wait for the education and inclusion to kick in?

The issue stems from lack of discipline and government cuts.

The police have no powers or resources to deal with it, councils do nothing and what they do eg set up parks gets destroyed, teachers have no powers, anyone who stands up to poor behaviour gets attitude from the parents who back up the child despite their awful behaviour.

Respect is missing, it’s been eroded. There is no fear of repercussions and its feral children bringing up feral children.

The help is thrown back because it’s meaningless propaganda not any real effort at change. It IS unattractive to have large families and not work, god knows it’s hard enough if you’re working, let alone on benefits. I’d love to know where people get this idea that being on benefits is a golden ticket, because it isn’t. PortiaCastis showed me a link a few days ago that showed that lone parent benefit with one child covers half the amount needed for a basic standard of living. HALF! That’s not the life of Riley, it’s no life at all and I am ashamed to be part of a society that thinks it’s acceptable to treat people this way. To look down upon people who are vulnerable, who deserve and need support and kindness not poverty and judgement.

It’s a bit hard not to look down on the family who have thrown a brick through your window.

@hotbutteredcrumpetsandtea did you miss the part where I live on a so called sink estate? No horse, I didn’t get one free from the government, they only do goats apparently.
Actually the family who cause the most problems on our estate all work full time, so nowt to do with benefits either.
So thanks for the massively offensive rant, but I am well aware of the problems because I live with them every day. We’re moving because we are fortunate enough to be able to get our kids away from their tormentors, but I’m gutted to be leaving because with the right support for the kids causing the problems there could be a change for the better.

Go and give them your support and kindness and see where that gets you.
Clue:
It will be thrown back at you.

So clearly I wasn’t referring to anyone living on a Council estate as a peasant, I was referring to the attitudes shown on here implying it!

They weren't implying it at all, you were.

I DO! I work with 2 local community projects that are woefully underfunded, constantly in fear of closure and struggle to keep the fucking lights on never mind provide meaningful help!
We do computer courses, literacy courses, toddler groups, football and dance classes which we subsidise ourselves because no fucker in power will fund them! And you know what, they’re great. With outside support they could be spectacular!

Also missed that I'm from a sink estate too?

Aye cos I’m going to live on a Council estate and call people who live on Council estates peasants I was having a go at people who have the attitude of “take the kids away, stop their benefits, these people are worthless”.
Away and chase yourself with your sweary rant, because unless the people who can change it, try to, nothing will change!

Wow, some posters on this thread probably missed on the local Tory conference so have to overcompensate.

And you know what, they’re great. With outside support they could be spectacular!

And you know who doesn't attend them? The people we are talking about!

Stop mixing up problem asbo families with regular poor people.

These families have always existed. But breaking the cycle with the kids takes a lot of resources that most Governments will not fund. There have been small scale projects that work, and are expensive.
Residential units for young women who have had their first kid and come from challenging families. They are taught from scratch what being a good mother means, as they haven't got any role models for this at all.

What many don't understand is if you come from a family like this as a young girl, and have no or few qualifications, getting pregnant actually makes sense. But as much as they love their kids, they have no role models about how to be a good mother. Some are intelligent enough to find their own way, but not everyone. That is the time when there should be intensive resources put into the mother and baby.