Aibu to be massively panicking about a pup I bought yesterday? European passport

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Very stupidly bought a dog yesterday who came with a pet passport issued in Latvia.
All vaccines were stamped in the book and micro chipping also in there.
Thought nothing Of it until I mentioned to a police friend who said this is one of the biggest scams going and he probably doesn't have any vaccines including rabies and threadworm which he could now transfer to my kids.
I feel sick with worry.
What a stupid idiot I am.
No vets will see him as he's not yet registered and its now emergencies only.

Even though they're only medium breed they only live for 8-10 years because of how deformed they are, most bulldog pregnancies end in a c-section because the mothers can't give birth.
The cute little snuffles and snoring everyone adores in these flat faced breeds are the dogs struggling to breath, know how awful it is to breath through your nose when you have a bad cold? These dogs live that every day.
Take puppy out when its too warm and play a little too much and puppy is going to drop dead of a heart attack.

The breed is especially vulnerable a variety of things such as respiratory difficulties, heatstroke, infection of the skin, degenerative joint disease, hypothyroidism, mast cell tumors, hip dysplasia and others.

Anyone breeding without following the new guidelines to breed out the deformity and serious inbreeding in these dogs or purchasing them should be ashamed of their participation in animal cruelty.

You just brought 7-10 years of pain and suffering, vaccinated or not, you brought a the product of human vanity at the cost of a health and happiness of another animal.

My puppy was from dogs trust, also came work a passport. She’s thriving now. I was a little worried at first but she was checked by vets there (after 4 weeks of quarantine) and now she’s 8 months old and 5.5 stone. Enjoy your puppy x

I work in the pet travel industry (mainly pets exiting the UK with emigrating families or dogs/cats with desired blood lines being sold abroad).

When you take your puppy to the vet tomorrow, please be prepared for him to be seized and placed in 21 days quarantine.

If you cannot afford the quarantine, your other option will be to have him euthanasied unless you can find a charity to foot the bill (Dogs Trust or RSPCA will no longer do so).

I see this on average 2/3 times a month.

And to add to that - insure your dog for lifelong conditions. Always.

^ This. With bells on. Bad insurance may as well be no insurance. Saving a few quid now could cost you thousands later. My beloved rescue pug Lola had vets bills totalling almost £10k in the last year of her life. She died from genetic illness. A direct result of indiscriminate inbreeding. We wouldn't of been able to do any of the things we did for her without the insurance.

Aww, he´s lovely.
Apart from his nose going off to one side, and his flat feet. Dogs with feet like that go lame easily.
How much is quarantine these days, £2,500? That dog look ill and depressed. He's been shoved around for the last few days and he'll probably be seized and euthanased on Monday.

Animal lovers dont do this.

nelle , I would imagine your puppy was one of the many that are seized being bought through Dover . Canterbury dogs trust generally take them and then move them to other sites when appropriate. There are lots of under age farmed puppies being bought in on a regular basis . I hope yours continues to be healthy as she gets older . You did the right thing in getting her from a proper rescue which will have dealt with her properly .

Why is the fact he's a bulldog make this worse?
Because it's a "fashionable" breed and many unreputable people are trying to make easy money from breeding them (bastards) and selling then to people who have not done their research. It doesn't matter that you didn't get one to be trendy, this is the reality of the breed at the moment. Same as pugs. Seriously OP, I know what's done is done, but please realise you could've gone to a Bulldog rescue society or even a generic dog rescue and got a 5 month old dog and not perpetuated the problem. The reason there's so much animal abuse from shitty back yard breeding and puppy farms is because people don't research, and it really is as easy as Googling "what to look for when buying a puppy". The Dogs Trust and RSPCA are right at the top of the results and give lots of excellent advice.

The dog will only be siezed if the vet has reason to believe the dog has entered illegally.
So the passport would need to have wrong information, no microchip when stated there is one or one that doesn't match the passport.
Or if the animal is displaying clear rabies symptoms.
I didn't think Latvia was a high risk country for that in the first instance anyway.

In support of Tika77, I have a friend who breeds and shows miniature poodles and she has imported dogs from Sweden, Spain, Italy and even Australia. She has met all the breeders at top level shows (bar the Australian one of course), has met most of the parents of the dogs at shows, seen photos in advance etc. These are all top pedigree dogs, fully vet checked, socialised, PRA tested etc.

But that's with the aim of widening the gene pool and reducing the breeding co-efficient so totally irrelevant in the OP's case.

There have only been 2 reported cases of rabies in humans (2012) in Europe but that's because there are tight controls but puppy farmers importing or producing ill-bred puppies in this country are rife. The IP went on gumtree to source a breed known for extreme health issues. It couldn't be worse unless she'd walked into one of those puppy farms in Wales :( Idiotic and irresponsible.

I certainly don't believe the mil is a vet nurse, no-one with half a brain would get eye drops from PAH. See the vet pdq and get proper medication/insurance.

That dog's face is an extreme example of the bracycephalic problems for which the breed is known. Why the hell would you buy a dog which has issues breathing? It's just obscenely cruel. Why the hell would you buy a 'foreign' dog that's almost the same price in th UK? Goady fucking thread, imo.

*OP, not IP. Injured party she certainly isn't.

i wanna know what differnc it makes if its an emergency appt

are u not willing to pay out for somthing so serious

he'll probably be seized and euthanased on Monday.

Harsh.

Poor dog is the innocent in all this. OP you’ve been stupid but the dog is here now and needs the best care and love you can give. I hope it goes well at the vets tomorrow.

I hope the pup gets a clean bill of health and goes on to live a long and happy life (as much as a bulldog can).

But seriously, in the future, either adopt from a reputable rescue shelter, or buy from a reputable breeder where you can see the mother and home environment - not Preloved/Gumtree etc. It's a dog, not a fucking second hand sofa.

Omg that poor puppy 😟

IMO it’s time certain breeds including bulldogs were allowed to die out. 99% of them - even the “well bred” ones are destined for a lifetime of suffering.

He won't be seized and euthanised, but he more than likely will be put in quarantine.

I've dealt with a similar case at work - younger pup though who had a pet passport with fake stamps/details from a European country.

He was too young to have had the rabies vaccine despite it being on the passport that he'd had it. He'd been illegally imported

He was quarantined, the family who bought him from a selling site couldn't afford to pay the bill. Very sad.

Part of me hopes this is a thread to raise awareness of the illegal importation and sale of dogs. Sadly I doubt it.

Silly question, but you wrote that the dog's passport is laminated on certain pages?

I have a dog from Switzerland (she was bought while I lived there) and her passport is not laminated. My parents have dogs in Denmark and the dogs' passports are also not laminated.
Maybe it's different in Latvia or maybe the dogs in my family have older passports, but it seems odd to me.

Are there little stickers for the vaccinations in the passport?

Also, did you get a contract when you bought the puppy?

I would make an appointment with a good vet tomorrow morning and make sure they check the chip, as well as look at the vaccination details in the passport. They are likely to know if it's looking right.

To be fair to the op, this is a very common mistake to make. Also there is no such thing as a 'good breeder' of bulldogs. Or any brachycephalic breed. They are all just perpetuating suffering whilst making a large amount of money (and probably not paying tax on it). Cesarean costs perhaps 500 pounds and say 5 pups in a litter at 1800 each. Easy money.

They won't seize the puppy as the paperwork is in order. It probably hasn't got rabies and you can easily worm it. However it will be in for a lifetime of health problems.

You can see in the picture that it has dark staining on the face. This is caused by tears running out of the eyes, because the face is so abnormally flat that the tear drainage ducts are squashed. It will end up with repeated skin fold infections, eye infections (because the eyes stick out too far) chronic breathing problems and possibly hip dysplasia. plus it was most likely born by cesarean. A bulldog from a Kc registered breeder is likely to be just as bad. Please just stick to dog shaped dogs!

@Maelstrop I certainly wasn't defending the OP or what she did, just Tika77 who was castigated for saying she bought puppies from overseas breeders.

Carpaccio - my dog (UK registered) has a pet passport with laminated pages for his microchip and rabies vac. It's to prevent tampering and is standard - your dog's passport should also have tamper-proof pages in their passport.

Carefree - it's not a 'common mistake' to buy a dog from an Eastern European puppy farmer. This is not an 'oops' thing. It's a bloody sentient animal.

We shouldn't minimise this. This dog's mother is probably already dead. Left to die without food or water because she'd served her purpose. This dog that the OP has bought for stupid fucking money is probably sick. It's going to cost her £££. And all because she wanted to buy a dog like she buys a pint of milk.

It's not okay and it's not a mistake. It's shitty hateful behaviour and if you care a tiny bit about dogs' wellbeing, you'd be as angry about this as most posters on this thread are

Bloody hell what a nest of vipers - from the first page the OP got that she was 'stupid' and admitted it was a wrong decision - yet still piled on what a 'horrible' person she is and burns puppies at the stake

OP yes, not ideal you bought a puppy from pre-loved but he's here now and I hope he's ok x

Nest of vipers? Because we are angry at the horrendous cruelty of the puppy farm trade and the stupidity/ignorance of the people who perpetuate it because they can't be arsed to do even the most basic research?

Yes the pup is here now. Unlike his mother who is probably dead now. Unlike the many, many puppies who don't even survive the journey to the UK and the ones who die shortly after getting here.

Buying a faulty used car is "not ideal" Buying a living breathing animal before even bothering to type "how to go about buying a puppy the right way" into google is wilfully ignorant.

I'm angry too mummy at the cruelty - I really don't think the crucifying of the OP who has admitted she was stupid - You don't know his mother his dead so quit with that - there are lots of european dogs that DO have breeding programmes, not that I agree with them.

There is nothing that states in fact this dog has any health problems or deformed bar some poster on MN saying his nose looks a little strange - perlease

The sellers were advertising multiple breeds of dogs from the same address. How likely do you think that these puppies are anything other than living, feeling meal tickets?

If the mother isn't dead then she's somewhere getting bred repeatedly until she's worn out and disposed of.

The op deserved everything she got. I am angry at the suffering these innocent creatures have to go through so people can acquire a dog like picking up a loaf of bread. It's fucking heart breaking.