Calling people out?!?!

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Whoever the fuck came up with this phrase and why is it suddenly EVERYWHERE?? It makes me cringe. And cross 😡😤 JUST STOP IT WILL YOU?!?! !

(And breathe 😁)

I am 50. And was always behind the times anyway.

Emily Maitlis used this phrase many times on that awful Newsnight thing last night. I thought better of her and the BBC. It's an awful phrase. What's wrong with 'challenged'?

"Throwing shade" is very visual, I like it.

I stopped watching Newsnight two years ago, solves that problem!

oh and @blanklook I once read that the verb 'to shade' was used to mean 'to defeat' as long ago as the 1920s ... then it was popularised in BAME drag communities.

Yes "challenged" would have been the BBC word.

Doesn't it mean "making an absolute dick of oneself by having a pop at someone else for percieved slights that are undoubtedly overstated and probably fair points anyway"?

That's generally my perception of it too. Not always of course, but generally.

taylortinker you certainly made the wise choice last night - it was dreadful on so many different levels - it made me want to weep.

I always understood the formal version of me to be I but I stand to be corrected

Queenie - "I" is the subject, "me" is the object. E.g. I gave to Fred....but Fred gave it back to me.

Myself is reflexive (I washed myself, I fed myself etc) or for emphasis (e.g. Nobody helped me, I did it myself).

There's no formal/informal.

Ooh now I'm intrigued Pretty!

And the way to know whether it's "Fred and me" or "Fred and I" is to remove Fred and see if it still works. "Fred and I went to the seaside" "Bert gave it to Fred and me" both work without Fred. "Fred and me went to the seaside' and "Bert gave it to Fred and I" don't.

For those of us who want to throw things at Newsnight, can I recommend Beyond 100 Days as an alternative news programme?

Thanks for that Bertrand.

Another thing I've only seen on MN but googling has revealed it is in fact a thing is 'to go postal'. The first few times I saw it I assumed it was some sort of autocorrect quirk. But it's not. It's stupid and I hate it.

Exactly it's bloody American! (Apolz to all Americans for the casual racism here) & not good English grammar.

It rounds horrendous, makes me cringe for the speaker & doesn't MEAN anything!

I've heard it from Donald Trump, on Woman's Hour, on the news, from trans activists everybloodywhere!

It's like office speak - it just makes you sound like a sheep following a fashionable phrase. Stop it!!! Just stop it!!!

Exactly it's bloody American! (Apolz to all Americans for the casual racism here) & not good English grammar.

Apolz..?

i hate 'sack them off'. huh? wtf?

Ha ha! Bernard - I guess you just challenged me there

But I still can't abide it!

I totes called you out lolz 😈 (Threw in a non-mumsnet emoji there for good measure ).

Can we add "clapped back" to the list of shit irritating phrases.

On fleek 🤘🏽

I don't like 'calling someone out' because to me it sounds like the user is saying that their opinion is 100% correct and universally agreed upon. It has a self-righteous feel to it. Whereas 'challenged' seems a lot more factual and objective - you've challenged someone's views as you personally think they are wrong, without the inherent presumption that everyone agrees with you.