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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

986 replies

PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3061258-FMOTUS-F-ing-Moron-of-the-United-States-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

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Fekko · 03/11/2017 08:47

Can someone tell me if I imagined this. It's so hard to tell...

Did I read that Trump paid for an ad in a newspaper when 5 men were jailed for the rape and attempted murder of the Central Park jogger (years ago) demanding the dearth penalty for them - then they were all cleared later?

Does this idiot never learn or does he just think that he is never wrong?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 08:58

Didn’t imagine it

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york

Fekko · 03/11/2017 09:00

😵 I hope they sued. Give the twitter ex-worker a medal 🥇!

Natsku · 03/11/2017 09:01

It is all speculation but I can’t think of a more elegant way to bookend the week than with Manafort Monday and Flynn Friday.

Oh that would be lovely

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 09:08

Christian Borys
@ItsBorys
Account with 70,000 followers, quoted by CNN, BBC, WaPo...and even debated @McFaul, turns out to be a Russian troll

[mcfaul is the ex US ambassador to russia]

amp.thedailybeast.com/jenna-abrams-russias-clown-troll-princess-duped-the-mainstream-media-and-the-world

PerkingFaintly · 03/11/2017 09:18

From Pain's link:

"Those same users who followed @Jenn_Abrams for her perfect Kim Kardashian jokes would be blasted with her shoddily punctuated ideas on slavery and segregation just one month later.
...
"Congressional investigators working with social media companies have since confirmed that Abrams wasn’t who she said she was.

"Her account was the creation of employees at the Internet Research Agency, or the Russian government-funded “troll farm,” in St. Petersburg.
...
"Instead, stretching back to 2014, Abrams’ account built up an image of a straight-talking, no-nonsense, viral-tweet-writing young American woman. She was featured in articles as diverse as “the 15 funniest tweets this week” to “#FeministAMovie Proves Why Twitter Can’t Have Nice Things.” Then, once she built her following, she would push divisive views on immigration, segregation, and Donald Trump, especially as the 2016 election loomed."

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OuaisMaisBon · 03/11/2017 09:26

I discovered the existence of the Oxford Comma from an Australian, via this song by Vampire Weekend. It is my favourite piece of punctuation, it just feels so right - none of your never putting a comma before the word “and”, as was drummed into me all the way through my education!
Depending on where you are, I should warn you of quite liberal use of the f word (but no Trump!) in the song.

badbadhusky · 03/11/2017 09:40

DH has that album, so the Oxford Comma (as in “who gives a fuck about the Oxford comma...?”) was already on my radar. Since the thread discussion yesterday, I’ve had it rattling around my head as an ear-worm. V annoying as it is wildly catchy.

Natsku · 03/11/2017 10:25

I must admit I'm never really sure where to put commas in sentences.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 10:44

If, in, doubt, pepper, them, about, , ,,,, ,,

Mike Hind‏*@MikeH*_PR

  1. OK, I’m going to say it.

The foreign dark money for Brexit was American. Mark my words.

  1. This is why Banks & Wigmore are so gleeful about the Russia angle.

When the truth emerges they’ll justifiably say everyone was WRONG

  1. It came from Mercer. Ultimately. It’s all about creating the conditions for disaster capitalism. That’s what Cambridge Analytica is for.
  1. Sure, it works for Putin & his fellow kleptocrats & they’re doubtless involved too. Because they’re all in it for the money & control.
  1. But when it’s all untangled the Balkanization of everywhere will turn out to have been an extremist capitalist conspiracy.
  1. This is why putting all your eggs in a Russia basket is unwise. It will help them claim exoneration when it turns out to be more complex.
  1. And that’s why they troll you about Russia. It’s also why the Russian embassy has such fun with this. Because they know how this works
  1. It’s an alliance of kleptocrats & disaster capitalists. Their nationalities are secondary to the objective. Divide, rule & accumulate.
  1. Just a thought. It’ll stand or fall on what emerges, so not really worth debating. Let’s just see how it plays out.

ends

  1. Let’s continue now, with these subsequent thoughts. Following some of the protestations attracted by this thread
  1. There seems to be an obsession with the ‘😱FOREIGN INTERFERENCE😱’ angle. But that kind of misses the point.
Try this thought experiment.
  1. Imagine I (still a UK citizen) sabotaged the country in some way, for reasons of ego & personal enrichment.
And I had help from people.
  1. Say my co-conspirators & backers were, say, Singaporeans, Americans, Belorussians, Canadians, Chinese etc.
And say I was caught at it.
  1. I would totally LOVE it when people cried ‘😱FOREIGN INTERFERENCE😱’.

All that distraction from ME would be a gift that just kept giving.

  1. We’re in an age where the headline is the story. The era of grazing on fragmented factoids. When it’s all about feeling over facts.
  1. If the headline is constantly

‘😱FOREIGN INTERFERENCE😱’

That is, by definition, the story people
hear.

A spectacular miss-kick.

  1. LeaveEU had good data. They KNEW they’d won at 10pm on 23/6/16. When Farage ‘conceded’.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/2036447/nigel-farages-ally-made-10000-shorting-the-pound-after-ukip-leader-wrongly-conceded-defeat-on-eu-referendum-night/ … Foreign interference eh 🙄
  1. Some people will do brilliantly out of Brexit. Geopolitical & economic re-shaping for the hell of it. Masters of a really cool game.
  1. Kleptocrat Putin’s geopolitical ambitions are served too, of course.

If I’m the villain of the piece, focusing on that works for me 🤗

  1. If I was snubbed & responded by wreaking havoc, because I could, would you focus on

‘😱FOREIGN INTERFERENCE😱’

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/10/arron-banks-man-who-bought-brexit

  1. But but but but but but but but...

Trump-Russia, Manafort, Papadopoulos, WikiLeaks, hacking etc etc.

Yes. WE KNOW ALL THAT!

  1. As the agent of chaos I love all that distraction, especially because it’s true.

It makes the story bigger & different than me.

Phew.

  1. Let me spell this out again.

This. Is. Not. Binary.

It is not about it being about foreign interference or not foreign interference.

  1. It’s about what domestic actors did and continue to do.

Stop giving them a free pass by making it all about

‘😱FOREIGN INTERFERENCE😱’

  1. Finally, before saying ‘but but but but we know there’s a Russia angle’ please show me where I’ve ever said there isn’t 😉
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 11:55

Urgh he's tweeting again and as well as being obnoxius ("My Twitter account was taken down for 11 minutes by a rogue employee. I guess the word must finally be getting out-and having an impact.") he's also unsurprisingly pushing the Donna Brazile narrative of rigged primaries.

It is a little tiresome how predictable this is.

Lweji · 03/11/2017 12:00

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 4 min
Pocahontas just stated that the Democrats, lead by the legendary Crooked Hillary Clinton, rigged the Primaries! Lets go FBI & Justice Dept.

Pocahontas? FFS.

PerkingFaintly · 03/11/2017 12:07

I certainly agree with Hind about not putting all one's eggs in one basket.

There are multiple overlapping groups whose interests are served by the current chaos. Including but not limited to:

– Disaster capitalists (who create their own disaster/disruption if need be).
– White supremacists across many countries
– Far right in general
– US Christian extremists
– Putin's Russia
– Daesh / ISIS

Of course, Daesh and the Far Right are in a symbiotic relationship: each uses the other as a recruitment tool. "Look, They are attacking People Like Us. Join Us in attacking Them back."

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Lweji · 03/11/2017 12:16

Meanwhile, it's not looking good for Florida (aka Mar-a-Lago), despite what Pruitt says:

The three-degree world: the cities that will be drowned by global warming
"The UN is warning that we are now on course for 3C of global warming. This will ultimately redraw the map of the world"

www.theguardian.com/cities/ng-interactive/2017/nov/03/three-degree-world-cities-drowned-global-warming

Lweji · 03/11/2017 12:25

What to expect from the Asia 12 day torture trip.

time.com/5006936/donald-trump-china-vietnam-philippines-korea-japan-apec-asean/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 13:19

There is nothing concerning about a President directing the law enforcement to look into a former political opponent. Nothing authoritarian about that all.

Not really news but:

Former Twitter Employee Says Fake Russian Accounts Were Not Taken Seriously

In 2015, a manager discovered a trove of accounts with Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-03/former-twitter-employee-says-fake-russian-accounts-were-not-taken-seriously

In early 2015, a Twitter employee discovered a vast amount of Twitter accounts with IP addresses in Russia and Ukraine. The worker, Leslie Miley, said most of them were inactive or fake but were not deleted at the time. Miley, who was the company's engineering manager of product safety and security at the time, said efforts to root out spam and manipulation on the platform were slowed down by the company's growth team, which focused on increasing users and revenue.

"Anything we would do that would slow down signups, delete accounts, or remove accounts had to go through the growth team," Miley said. "They were more concerned with growth numbers than fake and compromised accounts."

[...]In 2015, researchers from the University of California at Berkeley approached Twitter, asking for help, Miley said. They had found that Twitter had a significant amount of fake accounts, but wanted more data to further their research. Three employees on the product safety and security team, including Miley, met with them. They declined to give the academics data, but the meeting made them curious.

Afterward, the employees ran an analysis on Twitter's accounts. Miley said he was stunned to find that a significant percentage of the total accounts created on Twitter had Russian and Ukrainian IP addresses. According to Miley's recollections, he brought the information to his manager, who told him to take the issue to the growth team. Miley said that he doesn’t have records of the tallies.

"When I brought the information to my boss, the response was 'stay in your lane. That's not your role'," Miley said.

Miley said he advised the growth team to delete most of the accounts they had surfaced from Russia and Ukraine, since the analysis suggested that most were inactive or fake. The growth team didn’t take any action on the Russian and Ukrainian accounts after he presented the data to them, according to Miley.

Many pro-Trump bots that were active during the 2016 U.S. elections were long-dormant accounts, according to researchers. These profiles give the illusion that they’re legitimate, and not created for the sole purpose of spreading propaganda during a campaign, according to Samuel Woolley, research director of the Digital Intelligence Lab at Institute for the Future, a non-profit research organization.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 13:33

Tommy Vietor‏ @TVietor08
If the press uncovered secret conversations between Trump and DOJ where he pushed the FBI to investigate Hillary, it would be a massive scandal. Watergate-level. But when he tweets it repeatedly, it gets brushed off.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 13:46

I don't want to offer false hope but I think the barrage of hysterical tweets might mean that some more damaging news might come out today please be Flynn Friday

TheNorthWestPawsage · 03/11/2017 13:55

The Mystery of Mary Trump
Donald Trump reveres his father but almost never talks about his mother. Why not?
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/03/mary-macleod-trump-donald-trump-mother-biography-mom-immigrant-scotland-215779

Lweji · 03/11/2017 14:13

Ah, the Pocahontas tweet was deleted.

cozietoesie · 03/11/2017 14:19

I wouldn’t go there, NorthWest.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 14:23

The Puerto Rican scandal expands

The Puerto Rico Power Scandal Expands

After the island’s power company canceled the controversial Whitefish contract, there are several federal inquiries into that contract and another $200 million deal with an Oklahoma-based company.

www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/544892/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 14:35

Caroline O.‏ @RVAwonk

8 of the top 10 trending topics on @SecureDemocracy's Russian propaganda tracker are about the DNC/Democratic primary controversy.

These are accounts looking to drive a wedge among Dems. Keep this in mind as you see the debate play out on Twitter

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 15:28

Trump Offered Corey Lewandowski a New Job. Corey Turned It Down Because It Was ‘Chump Change.’

In a phone call last month, President Donald Trump pitched his ousted 2016 campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, on the idea of coming to the White House to work for him again.

The timing seemed ripe for a reunion after all. Nearly one year into the Trump era, Lewandowski had not become the massive power broker in Washington, D.C., that he’d set out to be, and was itching for an administration position. The president, meanwhile, was besieged by scandal, furious with those around him, and wanting more loyal voices and familiar faces nearby.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/11/2017 15:45

Go Canada!

Bill Browder‏Verified account @Billbrowder

BREAKING: Canada sanctions 52 individuals from Russia, South Sudan & Venezuela on the basis of new Magnitsky Act

www.international.gc.ca/sanctions/countries-pays/victims_corrupt_regulations-victimes_corrompus_reglement.aspx?lang=eng

Incidentally, what was the reason that Sanders gave for not endorsing the Russian sanctions? I genuinely can't remember but I do know he was only one of two individuals that did not support the sanctions bill.