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Ex Doesn't want to let DD take fave teddy to his house :(

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NancyPiecrust · 27/10/2017 16:40

Just had an unnecessarily irritating handover with abusive, NPD controlling ex-partner - DD's Dad.

This is by far the tamest complaint I will ever have posted on Mumsnet about him..and things have gotten a lot better, but it's like he still finds any way he can to have some sort of control, power game or let a bit of his rage towards me leak out at handovers... Funnily enough though if anyone else is there during handover eg. my parents he is the nicest most charming, respectful person in the world!

DD is only just 3 and has a favourite teddy that she always sleeps with and asks for in the night if she can't find him.
Recently her Dad has been just taking him out of her hand and giving him back to me saying "We don't need this. I've got plenty of teddies at mine. Just one more thing to forget to bring back" (He's got this weird thing about the "special teddies" at his house - one of which was a childhood teddy that his Mum (also controlling, NPD, obsessive about DD) always plays with DD with & one rare antique one which he bought off the internet for £80 for her....

He only took one small bag with him with waterproofs, hat ...that's all he has to remember, plus the special teddy.

I know it's not really about him or her having to "remember" to bring the teddy back, this has happened many times. Always a small power struggle about the teddy every time that he sees she's clutching him and has chosen/asked to bring him with her. He then has the most annoyed face on when he hands the teddy to me as if he's sneering/seething with annoyance. She then cries and reaches for the teddy as he's literally just almost snatched it out of her hand without even asking her ....She says she wants the teddy & I say "She wants to take him" and his response: "Well, in future, distract her from it. She doesn't need it". I said "No, it's a transitional object. She wants to take him."

So then she sees us having mildly passive aggressive crossed words about her beloved teddy. WHY?! Why can't it just be simple & why can't he consider what SHE wants. She's there in the middle probably feeling guilty about wanting to take the teddy. And powerless when he just takes it off her (for no reason other than his own ego). What is my option to avoid the drama? Take the teddy and go "Ok." walk away. And she sees her Dad just commanding me what to do, overriding what she wants & what message does that send to her? I feel I have to stand up for what she wants, I've always taught her that it's not ok to snatch teddies out of other children's hands at playgroup but then her Dad does it to her? ????!! I try and teach her that we must respect others wishes etc. But he doesn't respect what she wants. Granted a 3 year old can't always get what she wants and I say no to her plenty eg. sweets, too much TV. But...this is harmless and a source of comfort for her. sad

It's like he's trying to deprive her of the one thing that reminds her of home, and her Mum when having overnights ? It's clearly not about HER but about him..and him trying to have ONE thing to control because I've shut down all other avenues of control that he's become used to using to manipulate me, upset me, undermine me etc.
I would never think about persuading her to not take a favorite teddy or something she is so attached to. There's no harm in it. It's not like he thinks she's too young to be attached to a teddy & wants to wean her off it, it's because he want her to be attached to HIS special teddy that he bought her. And resents her attachment to the one from my house.

She even likes to take this teddy to nursery sometimes...he stays in her bag on her peg the whole time I'm pretty sure but she likes the fact that he's there and has come with her. I feel annoyed that he'd even want to take that comfort away from her, just so he didn't have to entertain the "special teddy from Mummy's that reminds me of her".

ARRGGGG. It has really annoyed me and just wanted to rant and see if anyone knows how I should handle it. He's being very petty and selfish in my eyes & you could see how he loved telling me to take it back & seeing me squirm when I tried to "fight her corner" and say she should take him. And how annoyed he was when he gave it back to her, with a horrible fake smile on his face barely concealing his contempt for me - and the fact that I'm a free person from him now and he can't control my life anymore.
I am also annoyed that he had to make some little tiny drama in whatever way he could in the handover when all he had to do was take the bag, take her, and leave. Hmm Angry

Another thing he always makes a point of doing is taking out her hair plaits or ponytail and clips that I have done (to keep her hair out of her face, and stop it from getting food in it) and always hands them back to me, in my hand, when he brings her back. Like he couldn't just put them in her little hairband/hairbrush case in her bag. It's like he makes a point of it. He does it every time. And every photo I see of her at his eg. I'm still close with his Dad so sometimes pics pop up on his social media of her, he has always taken out the hair bobbles and the plaits & clips and her hair is just down and in her face. She never asks the staff at nursery to take her hair stuff out, or me. When I asked her where did her plaits go, she said "Daddy says they're annoying, so he took them out".

GAH! Hmm

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ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 27/10/2017 18:38

My parents separated when I was very young and I hated visits to my dad's. He was bossy, controlling and regularly grilled me about my mum, barely concealing his dislike for her and criticising her in conversations with his own mother in front of me.

In the end at the age of 6, I voted with my feet and refused to go to my dad's.

If your ex wants to sabotage his relationship with his daughter, he's going the right way about it. Even young children pick up on these things.

I agree with others; don't rise to his bait. He's trying to play power games with you, unfortunately at the expense of his daughter's feelings. What a twat.

BitchQueenofAngmar · 27/10/2017 18:48

Your ex is a huge cunt. I am so sorry for your daughter that she has to go and stay with him, and sorry for you that you have to send her. He sounds like a horrible man.

I agree with PP - if there is any way you can always have a third party at handover then I would 100% do this.

I also think it might be best to keep bear at home, but I can absolutely understand why it would upset you to have to do that, because it's not what your daughter wants.

spidey66 · 27/10/2017 18:49

My niece has had a special teddy since she was a baby. She's now 7, Teddy's battered and falling apart despite attempts by my sister to mend it, but it's still special. I assume she doesn't take it to school with her but certainly bed, holidays etc. I think it's cute. I think it's terrible to deprive a 3 year old of something that gives them comfort.

Bucketsandspoons · 27/10/2017 18:49

He's a twat basically.

Agree with pps, you're running a BIG risk here of him 'losing' teddy as a control gesture to you, or worse (and remembering a thread a year or so back where this happened) he'll bin it in front of dd and tell her she's too old for it as a means of punishing you/dominating on this issue.

Teddy needs to live at your house. Yes he's a twat who doesn't give a damn about a three year old's comfort, unfortunately he is likely to hurt dd more if you fight about it than if teddy waits safely at your house for her to come back to. This man is not going to respond to an email or anything you say, it isn't that he doesn't know or realise, it's that he is showing you loud and clear 'you're not the boss of me and I'll do what I want with dd on my time'. The more reaction he gets from you the more he'll show you.

Don't plait her hair when she's going to see him (she'll probably come back with pigtails and you'll get a fuss about her hair being in her eyes) and as much as you can stop giving him anything he can work with about this. That will drain his power much more effectively.

Itsonkyme · 27/10/2017 18:54

Every time she is going to her Dad's tell her plainly that her Dad does not like Teddy and Teddy is upset about it, so he would be better staying safe at home with Mummy, who loves him.
Turn it back onto him. Bastard.
And leave her hair down when you send her as well.
Don't give him the pleasure!!
I hate the pillock and I've never met him!

Bizzysocks · 27/10/2017 18:55

I agree she should be able to take her teddy. However, I think you have placed more importance to the teddy than your dd has. She will get used to having a different teddy at dad's.

Has he forgot to return things in the past? And you have had a go at him about it? As his explanation about not wanting to forget it, when added to the hair clips, which may get misplaced, makes sense then and is then not about control but about not getting an ear full if it's misplaced. As I imagine if his lost this special teddy you wouldn't be very forgiving and dd would be even more upset.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/10/2017 19:00

Oh! I like that nameonthepage - Silly Daddy scared of the lovely bear/

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 27/10/2017 19:02

I doubt he's worried about losing the teddy. It's a control thing. It's not even about the bear. Once that's no longer an issue, it'll be something else.

Engage as little as possible and keep the handover short and civil. If he wants to bring an "issue" up during the handover, tell him you'll discuss it over Email, now's not a convenient time for you.

RadioGaGoo · 27/10/2017 19:03

Voiceforreason. Are you really going to just ignore that the OP's husband is controlling to the point where he would rather upset his small daughter to get one over the OP? Pathetic really, isn't it? A decent father would have taken the teddy bear if he knew how special it was to his daughter.

He's just being plain silly to actually hand over the bobbled each week. Surely any sensible and reasonable person would taken them put one night and store them. He actively gets the out to hand over to the OP. How ridiculously childish. He needs to grow up.

HouseworkIsAPain · 27/10/2017 19:04

You won't get DDs dad to act in the best interests of DD. All you can do is disengage and make things as good as can be for DD. Don't send the email - it won;t achieve anything (and I know how frustrating it must be that you can;t get him to see sense).

Help your DD through this as best you can. I suggest you start a new routine. When she is due to go to dads, get her to put her special teddy in her bed to look after her other teddies whilst DD is at her dads. She can tuck him up and kiss him goodbye - a much nicer thing to do than have her ted taken out of her hand at the door. Tell her that ted wants DD to find a special teddy at her dads house and is really looking forward to hearing about what DD and the teddy get up to at dads house. And then can tell the other teddy what DD and her original special ted get up to at mums house.

Textpectation · 27/10/2017 19:06

You can't choose your DC's favourite toy for them. I never had a teddy but ds has a teddy that is almost flat now (10). Tbf I'm glad it wasn't something he needed to go to sleep with and he always left it here when he was away. I think having teddy look after her bedroom is a great idea. It would be horrible if it got 'lost'.

The hair accessories thing sounds rubbish. I wouldn't be able to hold my hand out for them. He could (much more easily) put them in her bag.

What a twat. Take someone with you or have someone else drop her off.

PashPash · 27/10/2017 19:08

It isn’t about the teddy, it’s about control.

Guarantee He’s masturbating like a monkey over the thought that he’s got you all riled up over this. That’s what he wants.

Don’t let the teddy go,I don’t doubt he will do what that ex on a thread the other year did and bin it in front of her to make a point.

You got to ensure that you don’t rise to his nonsense. Don’t give him fodder. If you fail to react, it will be like him punching fog. He’ll keep spinning looking for something to rile you, keep being fog.

You’ll win long term, shell hate him for it.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/10/2017 19:12

Tell her that ted wants DD to find a special teddy at her dads house and is really looking forward to hearing about what DD and the teddy get up to at dads house. And then can tell the other teddy what DD and her original special ted get up to at mums house.

Lovely idea housework.

43percentburnt · 27/10/2017 19:18

I would find a way of getting her to keep teddy at home. Does anyone remember the thread where daddy made a small child bin their teddy bear?

Leave her hair down. Don’t engage.

This is all about controlling you. If you drop her off for contact dressed up ready to go out for the day I bet he becomes unreliable at having her - to ruin your fun. If he thinks you are dating he will pull out at last minute to ruin your plans. He certainly doesn’t have his Childs needs at heart.

43percentburnt · 27/10/2017 19:20

Be a grey rock. A really boring dull grey rock.

DistanceCall · 27/10/2017 19:21

Seriously op. You’ve got a nerve moaning about him!

QuiteLikely what the fuck is wrong with you???

This is a git who snatches the teddy bear off his own 3-year-old daughter just to spite his ex. It's not about the OP, it's about THEIR DAUGHTER.

Idiot.

pallisers · 27/10/2017 19:23

Don't send that email.

He'll stop if you stop engaging. Personally I'd try to keep the bear at home so it isn't an issue. He may find something else to act arsey about but ignore that too.

Stop thinking about the plaits.

Don't tell him you think you are more important than he is as a parent (in fairness, while I agree with the mother/child bond in infants etc. that would piss most people off - to be told they are the less important parent.)

He is getting off on your reaction so just stop having one. The email will feed him for months if you send it.

If he tries shit like this on an older child/teen, she won't be long sorting him out.

Maelstrop · 27/10/2017 19:33

You are still over invested.

In her own child? Are you on glue?

Don't engage with him, OP, get someone else to do handover or to witness handovers. Definitely don't email, just leave the teddy at home, you don't want your dd to see and hear you arguing with the ex. He is (and I rarely use this word) a cunt.

NancyPiecrust · 28/10/2017 00:45

bizzysocks - no the weird thing is that I have never had a go at him for forgetting something even though he does sometimes...often he will make a big deal and do a whole big "sorry, I can bring it back tomorrow?!" performance especially when he's in the sort of mood where he's trying to convince me he's a lovely guy again, and when I say "No it's ok, will get it next time, not a big deal" he'll text back "Are you sure? I can bring it right now, no problem or post it back?"
I am really laid back about him forgetting stuff..even once the teddy was left behind, and DD was upset but I distracted her with another teddy that she is also quite particularly fond of & I didn't have a go at him at all. In fact I had no reaction, and it's like he wants me to have one, if I have no reaction.
I have decided to get my Mum to do handovers as she lives 5 mins up the road. And it's been over 2 years of me giving my energy over to trying to be civil with him & him constantly trying to pull me into drama, threatening court, which funnily enough I just got an email from him this evening, threatening again as he is not happy about the contact schedule - he has her all day Wednesday and we share the weekend with her having one overnight with him. The constant stress and re-traumatisation that I experience with constant communication and interaction with him, especially after his emotional, verbal, physical and psychological abuse that I suffered in our relationship, which continued in subtle but clever and constant psychological abuse, gaslighting, undermining, threats of court, controlling etc behaviour in the last 2 years since I left him has been excruciating.
He also was abusive to DD when she was 2, and we have been in even more of a battle since then as he admitted it, after he turned up to drop her off with her screaming and him crying as well on my doorstep, but then after I said (backed up by Child Psychotherapist & Senior Social Worker off the record and HV and Duty Social Worker on the record) that he couldn't have unsupervised contact with her...he then denied it & said that I was making it up, demonising him and distorting reality with the help of his Mother, and has been constantly using the threat of court as a way to intimidate me into staying silent on this. Which I wouldn't !

DD has suffered massively from his actions, and the upheaval caused by them, meaning I chose to move home to be nearer my family as him and his family were making my life hell, after I went to social services and HV to report the abuse that DD suffered from him.
After my own personal therapy and setting boundaries with him, limiting contact with him myself and then tentatively restoring overnight contact with him & DD after he went on a 6 month anger management course that my solicitor suggested that I asked him to attend (luckily I could access one, through Legal Aid on account of Domestic Violence,, I don't think he banked on that happening)... he then dropped all involvement of his lawyer and threats of court after my solicitor's letter which stated we would be pursuing a Non Mol order if his harassment and pressure on me was to continue.

Now he's been harassing me more recently again since he moved closer - 30 mins away as opposed to 2.5 hours away, including contacting my family members to try and get information on my private life and trying to persuade them to talk with me and get me to come around to his agenda/victim story - that I've stopped DD seeing him - which is not true. Even in the midst of the no unsupervised contact - she still saw him regularly - supervised - after an intial week or so separation where she was still traumatised and said she didn't want to see Daddy.

Somehow he managed to repair the damage he did and she does now say she loves him again and looks forward to going to see him - I have stupidly always tried to see the best in him and believe him every time he switches on the very convincing, nice guy, I've changed act. It's SO convincing, he has everyone around him convinced that he is this stand up guy who would never hurt a fly or raise his voice...

Mainly because I do see how much DD loves him and I can't bare to take that relationship away from her.. I have tried still to keep regular contact as far as I thought it was safe... But he has continued to intimidate and pressure me into way more contact than I thought was safe.... Now I've tried to restore the boundaries and say that he have her only 1 night a week, this is when he's ramped up his threats of court again. As he wants to have her way more - 50/50 if he could. That's what he wants.

The more and more he shows his true colours the more I think she'd be better off without his very charming but very subtle narcissistic mind/power games which he inevitably plays subtly with her - even if it's just to the point that she's learned that she can't show her emotions in front of him and she always has to be "good for Daddy" otherwise he gets scary. He always boasts about how she's always totally happy all the time and good all the time with him. That's not necessarily normal for a 3 year old !
His charming mask always slips and he always comes back to being controlling, pressuring me, intimidating me, trying to undermine my confidence etc. He even managed to get the Duty Social worker to completely drop my concerns because he charmed her on the phone and painted me as a controlling over protective mother and himself as a hard done by loving Dad who was the victim. Sad Angry

I am really going to have to go cold grey rock for real now. Sadly for my DD it means she now will never see her parents in the same room together, being a co-parenting team. I've always tried to give it that chance but I realise he will never let that happen as much as I try and be civil and a grown up, he'll always use it against me somehow or see as weakness and room for him to muscle in and take over/create drama/tell me what to do with my life etc.

I need to get on with my life and be able to devote energy to our DD without being so stressed, myself and my career etc without constant dramas with him that he seems to bring up all the time. Unless he's taking me to court which it looks like he will now.

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NancyPiecrust · 28/10/2017 00:53

And also thanks for the suggestions...I will say I think "lets keep the teddy at home and he can look after your bedroom etc..." encourage her in a positive way & remind her of the special teddies waiting for her at Daddy's. And no, he would never allow his special teddies to come home with her here..ohhhh no way ! haha.

And no I definitely don't want to go down the "Secrets" route or anything or saying "Daddy doesn't like the bear" as that's kind of divisive too and putting meaning to the situation that she doesn't need to know about. I hate the fact that the way that he's being might make her think that men get to tell women the way things are going to be, and disregard their protestations otherwise....Hmm
But as other posters have reminded me - thank you - she will see him for who he is in her own time. I have never spoken badly of him. She'll make up her own mind. When she gets older I can be more honest with her about why I left him, if she asks me as a teenager maybe & is seeking to understand some stuff...But she's only 3...I have only empathised with her when she has cried about stuff he has done...and as I said I took this to the HV and SS when necessary.
But I have never shown her how I feel about him. I've always been careful to be measured & neutral. I heard my MUm speaking badly of my Dad when they divorced when I was 17, and I never wanted to put my DD in that position...even though I do think exP is an absolute piece of work. And a very troubled person.
I have always tried to encourage her OWN feelings about things and people.

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DuchessofManchester · 28/10/2017 01:08

It takes a special kind of cunt to take a teddy from a 3 year old.

kateandme · 28/10/2017 01:09

Silly daddy.oh couldn't u manage her hair.great comments.bringing the abuser right back down.he's squeezing ur control and emotions so grab his bollox back!arse.
Don't reply.I saw ur emotion there,that his win.his way back into manipulation.just smile serenely.hel hate this more.

SleepingStandingUp · 28/10/2017 01:28

QuiteLikely5 oh do fuck off.

OP what about doing the heart things on your hands? I saw lots of people doing with kids starting school. You both have a little heart drawn on your hand and it connects you some how? Maybe google it, I'm useless. It'll fade with washing but should last an overnight if you don't draw attention to it to ExP

NancyPiecrust · 28/10/2017 01:32

Duchess - LOL !!!! Absolutely. ABsolutely !! His selfishness knows NO bounds. Poor DD. Her little face fell & she reached out for the teddy...SO MEAN. He didn't even look back, just snatched it from her hands. He has done this many times but I have always stood firmly in her corner and said "But she just said 2 minutes ago that she wanted to take him, if she wants to, she can." And I've asked her and she's nodded and said yes I want him...so he's done this horrible fake smile, really annoyed and seething inside, and been like "Ok.Fine". Then I'm worried that he's going to take this annoyance out on DD later. SO yeah I should just encourage her to keep teddy at home.

Cestlavie No it's not court ordered but I'm starting to think it'd be better if it was. He is always wanting "flexibility" but that is just so he can get excuses to have her more and more and try and make out like I can't cope so he needs to help me....His reason why he moved apparently...ridiculous as I have both my parents nearby both of which are semi retired and DD loves ! And she's in a great nursery that she loves and is idyllic 2 days a week. I've said to him I need to change her nursery day as I may have a new job that means I'd have to be at work that day, and even though it doesn't mess with his contact day (I don't know why I told him to be honest, I just wanted to keep him in the loop so I couldn't be accused of "Not communicating" which he does a lot, if I don't reply to texts within 1 hour....Hmm or of "making unilateral decisions' which his solicitor accused me of in a letter which was completely untrue and recorded in mediation, that he had agreed to said decisions, in mediation." But anyway...he then stated that NO I could not change her nursery day...even though it falls in my contact days....and he wouldn't have even known I'd changed her day if I hadn't told him I was going to. And he told me he'd called up the nursery and spoken to the manager and told them not to change it without his permission. I am not sure that he can do this....?! I only get the free hours there because of my situation..low income...And I got her into that nursery. Anyway I am going to have a meeting with them on Monday and explain the control//past abusive issues etc..as I cannot have him using the poor nursery staff as a way to cause drama and have control now either. And I'm going to contact my Legal Aid solicitor again and see if I can proceed with that Non Molestation order after all...the harassment and constant relentless power and control games and intimidation has been taking over my life...this has really made me realise it. It's not good for DD and it has GOT to stop.

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NancyPiecrust · 28/10/2017 01:34

SleepingSTandingUp - Thank you that's a brilliant idea !!! I always tell her that our hearts are connected together... and she does love these glitter heart tattoos that we put on sometimes so maybe we can do that as a little routine. Thank you ! Smile

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