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Ex Doesn't want to let DD take fave teddy to his house :(

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NancyPiecrust · 27/10/2017 16:40

Just had an unnecessarily irritating handover with abusive, NPD controlling ex-partner - DD's Dad.

This is by far the tamest complaint I will ever have posted on Mumsnet about him..and things have gotten a lot better, but it's like he still finds any way he can to have some sort of control, power game or let a bit of his rage towards me leak out at handovers... Funnily enough though if anyone else is there during handover eg. my parents he is the nicest most charming, respectful person in the world!

DD is only just 3 and has a favourite teddy that she always sleeps with and asks for in the night if she can't find him.
Recently her Dad has been just taking him out of her hand and giving him back to me saying "We don't need this. I've got plenty of teddies at mine. Just one more thing to forget to bring back" (He's got this weird thing about the "special teddies" at his house - one of which was a childhood teddy that his Mum (also controlling, NPD, obsessive about DD) always plays with DD with & one rare antique one which he bought off the internet for £80 for her....

He only took one small bag with him with waterproofs, hat ...that's all he has to remember, plus the special teddy.

I know it's not really about him or her having to "remember" to bring the teddy back, this has happened many times. Always a small power struggle about the teddy every time that he sees she's clutching him and has chosen/asked to bring him with her. He then has the most annoyed face on when he hands the teddy to me as if he's sneering/seething with annoyance. She then cries and reaches for the teddy as he's literally just almost snatched it out of her hand without even asking her ....She says she wants the teddy & I say "She wants to take him" and his response: "Well, in future, distract her from it. She doesn't need it". I said "No, it's a transitional object. She wants to take him."

So then she sees us having mildly passive aggressive crossed words about her beloved teddy. WHY?! Why can't it just be simple & why can't he consider what SHE wants. She's there in the middle probably feeling guilty about wanting to take the teddy. And powerless when he just takes it off her (for no reason other than his own ego). What is my option to avoid the drama? Take the teddy and go "Ok." walk away. And she sees her Dad just commanding me what to do, overriding what she wants & what message does that send to her? I feel I have to stand up for what she wants, I've always taught her that it's not ok to snatch teddies out of other children's hands at playgroup but then her Dad does it to her? ????!! I try and teach her that we must respect others wishes etc. But he doesn't respect what she wants. Granted a 3 year old can't always get what she wants and I say no to her plenty eg. sweets, too much TV. But...this is harmless and a source of comfort for her. sad

It's like he's trying to deprive her of the one thing that reminds her of home, and her Mum when having overnights ? It's clearly not about HER but about him..and him trying to have ONE thing to control because I've shut down all other avenues of control that he's become used to using to manipulate me, upset me, undermine me etc.
I would never think about persuading her to not take a favorite teddy or something she is so attached to. There's no harm in it. It's not like he thinks she's too young to be attached to a teddy & wants to wean her off it, it's because he want her to be attached to HIS special teddy that he bought her. And resents her attachment to the one from my house.

She even likes to take this teddy to nursery sometimes...he stays in her bag on her peg the whole time I'm pretty sure but she likes the fact that he's there and has come with her. I feel annoyed that he'd even want to take that comfort away from her, just so he didn't have to entertain the "special teddy from Mummy's that reminds me of her".

ARRGGGG. It has really annoyed me and just wanted to rant and see if anyone knows how I should handle it. He's being very petty and selfish in my eyes & you could see how he loved telling me to take it back & seeing me squirm when I tried to "fight her corner" and say she should take him. And how annoyed he was when he gave it back to her, with a horrible fake smile on his face barely concealing his contempt for me - and the fact that I'm a free person from him now and he can't control my life anymore.
I am also annoyed that he had to make some little tiny drama in whatever way he could in the handover when all he had to do was take the bag, take her, and leave. Hmm Angry

Another thing he always makes a point of doing is taking out her hair plaits or ponytail and clips that I have done (to keep her hair out of her face, and stop it from getting food in it) and always hands them back to me, in my hand, when he brings her back. Like he couldn't just put them in her little hairband/hairbrush case in her bag. It's like he makes a point of it. He does it every time. And every photo I see of her at his eg. I'm still close with his Dad so sometimes pics pop up on his social media of her, he has always taken out the hair bobbles and the plaits & clips and her hair is just down and in her face. She never asks the staff at nursery to take her hair stuff out, or me. When I asked her where did her plaits go, she said "Daddy says they're annoying, so he took them out".

GAH! Hmm

OP posts:
SmileEachDay · 27/10/2017 17:43

I’m not sure “secrets” are the way forward - especially if exP is emotionally abusive it’s very important that DD is not put in a position where keeping secrets from a parent is a thing.

abbsisspartacus · 27/10/2017 17:44

Don't bother platting the hair he will probably send her back in platts

Trafalgarxxx · 27/10/2017 17:46

Seeing that he is always extremely nice when there is someone else, I would ensurevthere is ALWAYS someone there at hand overs.
I would give the teddy to your dd (taking it from is just cruel - my two teens are still sleeping wth theirs, even though, obviously, they can cope very well wo them!).
And not say one more word about said teddy to your ex.

SparklyUnicornPoo · 27/10/2017 17:48

Can teddy be looking after you/her room/her other toys while she's away? I agree she should be allowed to take teddy but having pushed this issue with DS's father poor bear had to be rescued as DS' father had put it in the bin, in front of DS (which by the way DS still hasn't forgiven him for 11 years later) Thankfully it was on a day my Dad was doing pick up and DS greeted him at the door with 'we can't leave yet, ted needs rescuing'. It was actually one of the reasons DS gave to CAFCASS when he started refusing to go to contact, that his dad wouldn't let him have anything from home there and didn't listen to him.

As for the bobbles, that is completely a control thing, I would be tempted to offer to show him how to use them since he clearly can't figure them out, so its clear you think he is too stupid to use them not in control of anything.

Butterymuffin · 27/10/2017 17:50

Definitely don't send the email. It won't help you, and if anything will make him more determined to do this to annoy you.

I would also be really worried about the teddy going missing at his if you sneak it into the bag somehow. (In fact if you can I'd buy a duplicate one anyway, as she's so attached to it.) Can you find a replacement really small thing she can take with her to be her comfort object at her dad's? Maybe something in disguise?

I like the 'couldn't you manage?' line with the hair bobbles. My suggestion was going to be to present him with an envelope marked 'hair clips and bobbles' when he arrived back with her next time, to make the point that him putting them in your hands each time is now very predictable.

Maria1982 · 27/10/2017 17:51

Don't email him! Don't engage. Don't try and have discussions about the mother-child bond. It sounds like you are wanting him to agree with you? Give up on all of that. Be secure in the fact that you do have a bond with your daughter - you don't need to discuss that with him.

As for the teddy - if you react calmly and remain friendly perhaps your daughter will be calmer too. How about telling her teddy will be waiting for her at home?
I know it's not what you want to hear but honestly I think you are still engaging with him

C0untDucku1a · 27/10/2017 17:51

Again, do not send the email.
Do not send the teddy either. I dont trust him with it.

Laceup · 27/10/2017 17:51

Personally,I'd be making sure teddy stayed safe and warm in dds bed..your ex is a twunt....( when cunt or twat is never enough)...don't give him the opportunity to loose the teddy on purpose...

Miserylovescompany2 · 27/10/2017 17:52

Personally, I'd make a fuss of Teddy staying at home - because you like to have sneaky cuddles. Don't let him dictate. Take back control.

Same with the hair accessories - just don't send DD wearing any - then he has nothing to hand back.

It's not rolling over - it's keeping a 3yo from having her beloved Teddy snatched from her hand - she gets to know Teddy is safe and receiving cuddles.

humblesims · 27/10/2017 17:53

Could teddy be "looking after" your DD's room for her whilst she's at her dad's
I think this might be a good idea. You shouldnt send the email it will show him that it is bothering you and thats what he wants.
Keep Teddy at home (come up with a reason for DD) and disengage.
He'll find something else to wind you up with of course. Try the grey rock technique they recommend over on the relationship board

Voiceforreason · 27/10/2017 17:58

Some of these issues are very trivial op. It is not good for your dd to feel this tension at hand over time. I agree that it might be best if someone else supervises that. Does it really matter thst dd has her hair down when with her dad? He has the right to parent in his own way and maybe he believes she is more free without hair ornaments. You are coming across as someone who resents the fact that you are co parenting your dd, and frankly, a bit controlling yourself.

goingonabearhunt1 · 27/10/2017 18:02

This just made me cry a tiny bit (and I'm at work!) As a child with separated parents, I guess it struck a chord. Sadly parents can be petty in this way and you're right, the bear is an important comfort to your daughter. You are obviously far more perceptive than your ex. He wouldn't do anything bad to the bear would he (like 'accidentally' lose him etc.)? That just made me kind of nervous because he sounds mean.

goingonabearhunt1 · 27/10/2017 18:02

If there's any risk of that, I'd keep bear home.

BenLui · 27/10/2017 18:03

He sounds just delightful.

If he’s trying to annoy you and exert control I’d just stop giving him that opportunity. So no clips, no teddy.

I suspect that actively having the teddy removed and the ensuing argument might be more damaging that just leaving it behind.

Can you get creative re the teddy? Can you take a photo of teddy (perhaps tucked up in bed or with her other toys) and get it printed in a nighty, pyjamas, or something similar. That way she could say night night to teddy even if he wasn’t with her?

Of course he’ll move onto something else, because he’s an arse.

I’d also try to have someone else at hand overs if it’s possible.

sonjadog · 27/10/2017 18:05

Don't send an email. That is a green light for him to keep winding you up. I suggest Teddy stays at home from now on. The hair thing is not worth getting worked up about. Don't engage in this.

Mittens1969 · 27/10/2017 18:06

I agree with the PPs who worry that he might lose the teddy on purpose. So if you sneak it into her bag then you should maybe buy a duplicate.

Otherwise you can tell her that her teddy will be waiting for her at home.

Trafalgarxxx · 27/10/2017 18:06

YY about having a spare (or two) just in case.

Fwiw, if you had tried to separate dc2 from his cuddly at that age, all hell would have broken loose. It would really have broken his heart and it also really would have stopped him from falling asleep etc... as experienced when we actually forgot it one weekend away
Saying that teddy is going to look after her room etc isn't going to cut it if she is as attached to it as my DC was.

Trafalgarxxx · 27/10/2017 18:08

Oh, if you do have a spare, please rotate them very regularly.
Dc2 knew that there was two identical cuddly, even though we had always hidden them. He could tell the small differences between them.
If you have one 'just in case' but never get it out, it wont be aging the same way and your dd is likely to refuse it on the ground that 'it's not teddy'

GabsAlot · 27/10/2017 18:15

what i wrong with some peopl he has to hav control over a teddy ffs?

i wouldnt giv in but thats me its not hurting anyone she wants a teddy to cuddle not a fucking swing set

oldbirdy · 27/10/2017 18:19

I'd play him at his own game with this one. Tell him that as DD has TWO homes it is nice to have a reminder of each home, can she choose a teddy to bring back and forth that reminds her of daddy, and the teddy she really wants to travel back and forth the other way. Make a big fuss of ensuring both teddies are carried and that it is great that she always has a symbol of both her homes. Ex is flattered, DD gets her teddy and the other teddy can sit on the side doing no harm. And who knows, if it works as a symbol of both homes, then that is nice for DD too.

Atenco · 27/10/2017 18:23

Could teddy be "looking after" your DD's room for her whilst she's at her dad's?

I totally sympathise with you, OP, It is extremely hard sharing the person you love the most in this world with the person that you probably hate the most in this world.

But I do think he has just found another way to wind you up. If she really needed the teddy to sleep, he would be begging you for the teddy. As for the hair bobbins, just put it down to a different way of parenting.

ReanimatedSGB · 27/10/2017 18:27

Definitely work on a way of DD accepting that teddy stays at your house, because this prick will 'lose' teddy, or use it to punish/control DD, or throw it away or something. And stick to calm, smiling indifference with a touch of contempt when you have to deal with him. In time, she'll be big enough to refuse to see him, and old enough that her wishes will be taken into account, but until then, don't give him anything to work with when it comes to bothering you or upsetting her.

ElBandito · 27/10/2017 18:27

Like PP I would also worry that teddy might not come home if he was taken out, and that would be worse.

Mysharonawoana · 27/10/2017 18:28

I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. How awful for you and your DD too. Horrendous. This man is feeding off of your reactions/upset about the teddy or the hair or really whatever he can do to upset you. What he wants is to see the impact it has on you, because that is what he enjoys - seeing that he is making you feel something.
I agree with others that giving an ex partner so many well considered words is the wrong idea because it shows him that you are bothered enough to craft a careful email. Don’t feed the monster.
I think your role now needs to detach from him and focus on your daughters happiness. Make a fuss of teddy when he is at your house without her, maybe take photos of teddy doing little jobs or going on adventures by himself. But accept his silly behaviour with a shrug in front of him, and he will wither.

Take care

Ravenesque · 27/10/2017 18:34

VoC if you read properly, you'd see that she doesn't actually care about the bobbles and the plaits, she's just fully aware that it's something he is trying to wind her up with. As for her being controlling, I fail to see how trying to do the best for her daughter re the teddy is being controlling. She wants her daughter to be happy. Her Ex wants her (OP) to be unhappy and doesn't care whether his daughter is happy or not.

I'm glad there are so many decent people here trying to help and offering comfort, because posts telling her she's controlling or making too much of a fuss over "nothing" (wtf) are really hurtful.

Oh and OP take it from one who's sent emails which are meant to be showing how much I don't care but only showing how much I do and how much the person receiving them has got to me ... don't send the email.