To urge you all to write to your MPs?

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I know this has been done before but I was inspired to start this thread whilst in the middle of writing yet another bloody letter to mine after he decided he was going to ignore my last two.

Now that Theresa May has announced that she backs the gender identity bill and wants to de-medicalise trans sexuality (great, thanks for that! ) I really do fear that it is very highly likely that this will go through.

So if you've written to your MP already, please do so again and if you haven't then it would be great if you did. This really is getting urgent now.

Now if you excuse me, I must go bang my head against a wall.

Thanks for raising this.
It's important.
It is also important that people are allowed to discuss and dispute biological realities without being called a bigot.

I'm happy for people to live how the choose but not at the expense of others.
What percentage of the population are trans? Why do their rights come above the rights of all members of the human female sex?

The word woman will become meaningless soon. There will be no distinction.

I am simply going to ask to identify by my sex (rather than gender) and kick off if I'm not taken seriously. My sex makes me vulnerable to rape, sexual assault, medical issues and various social issues - I demand to be catered for.

It’s estimated there about 650,000 who people who identify as trans. So roughly 1%. Which will impact on the 51% of women in this country. Not so much the 49% of men.

Funnily enough.

Just to be clear. If a man walks into a female changing room and strips off naked exposing his genitalia, that would be considered indecent exposure.

If he identifies as a woman it won’t.

And you will be bigoted for suggesting it.

Nice decent man would not dream of making women feel uncomfortable in their private spaces. They wouldn’t think of intimidating women or violating any part of their boundaries.

So you are left with men who are neither nice, not decent. Either because they don’t care, or because they want validation as a woman.

And before anyone says, if a man commits a crime he will be arrested, so what are you worried about? There is not a woman on Earth who doesn’t fully understand how a man can be intimidating and make her feel desperately uncomfortable without committing any kind of a crime.

Not only would you be called a bigot and/or a transphobe for calling a man who identifies as a woman, a man, but it would also be a hate crime.

People used to say feminists were paranoid and that the scenarios Datun describes would never happen.
Of course they have happened now, many times over, but if feminists cite and link them they are "one offs" or "not realky trans" or "you're just using it as an example to be transphobic".
Meanwhile the women who've been raped, harassed etc are collateral damage.

Just to be clear. If a man walks into a female changing room and strips off naked exposing his genitalia, that would be considered indecent exposure.

If he identifies as a woman it won’t.

And you will be bigoted for suggesting it.

You have got to be joking. As a person who has experienced rape this is my worst nightmare. I don't know how this issue has slipped past me but I will be writing to my MP asap. And I will urge every other woman I'm acquainted with to do so as well. Thanks for raising this OP.

This would just be completely ridiculous to bring into law. With huge proportions of women suffering sexual harassment each year, how the hell will this not make things worse?

I've written to my MP!

...I mean, I asked her to make sure she backs what I think is an essential bill to further trans rights. But I definitely did half of what you're asking.

*and girls. I'm thinking of those swimmers who had to change in a cupboard while that ex army trans woman was openly naked in front of them.

Ah dinosaursandtea you ignored OP's question to you on the other thread.

So what you're saying is that OP is not allowed to have an opinion on trans rights, because your way is the right way?

Even though the OP is trans?

You'll just follow the sexual fetishist transactivist line. So do you call trans people with gender dysphoria 'truscum' too?

@dinosaursandtea

In what way will this bill further trans rights? You have been asked this several times before on these threads (including by myself) yet you always fail to answer it. So since you are here, why don't you explain to us exactly how this bill will further trans rights and also (if it's not too much to ask) how you will stop people with not so nice motives from taking advantage of it?

De-medicalising trans will help no one. All that will happen is that vulnerable people who are suffering with crippling gender dysphoria will no longer be able to receive appropriate mental health support because it will be no longer viewed as there being anything wrong. Quite frankly as someone who was a very vulnerable teen who really needed that help that terrifies me. I am so glad I am not a teenager today.

Speaking of mental health support, you do realise that children, teenagers and young people who have gender dysphoria and really struggling with what their body looks like are having mental health support withdrawn and that it's been made more difficult to access? What do you think about that? Even a couple of years ago, that would not have happened and they would have been given appropriate neutral support.

Speaking from personal experience, I have lost count of the amount of money I've spent and distance I've traveled in order to find a counsellor who was going to be neutral in their approach to gender reassignment surgery. Pretty much every single one refused to talk about any other option other than surgery because "that will make everything all better; you don't really need to talk to me". I can assure you that this is another recent development; a couple of years ago I would have had no problem finding a therapist who was willing to be neutral. Now it is apparently transphobic to suggest any other option other than transitioning.

Do you actually care about the damage this is doing to transsexuals? Or do you just want to be thought of as right on and who cares if anyone else gets hurt in the process?

@dinosaursandtea you do realise the OP is trans, right?

Never mind, x post!

I don't hold out much hope for ours, she didn't vote on Brexit as it was too complicated.

I'd be quite happy to talk to @dinosaursandtea about this over PM if they feel they can't really post anything out in the open so to speak...

So are you actually going to return to this thread @dinosaursandtea and answer the Curry's questions?

No idea where that random the came from

Bloody hell. I had no idea. None whatsoever. Sod writing to my MP, I'm going to book in to see him at his clinic.

I've written to my MP and just got a bland response back which didn't address any of the issues I raised. Either they don't get it or they just don't give a crap and are happy to sell women down the river if they think it will give them the youth vote. (If they think it will give them the LGB vote, they are mistaken as there are many of us - particularly the lesbians - who are already seeing the consequences of the new transactivist agenda and don't like it one bit).

Who else do we write to?
Theresa May?
Women's hour?
God even Loose Women?

This needs a wider audience.

Holy crap.

Yes appointments with your MP seems to get a much better response.

The Times are the only mainstream paper currently trying to raise awareness about these issues. Read Janice Turner's excellent articles.

How has this not been publicised more?

Either they don't get it or they just don't give a crap
And yes, I think this hits the nail on the head. It's terrifying.

At the risk of sounding like a lazy bugger has anyone got a template letter??

It is terrifying.

Btw that individual who exposes themselves in front of you displaying a penis and balls will also explain to you that this is female genitalia and that women have penises too. And any problem you have with this is your prejudices. So indecent exposure, no. Hate crime committed by you? Yes.

I'm a lesbian and one of the things that bothers me most about all this is what's happening to children.

Statistics say that about 80% of children who present as gender non conforming or transgender become reconciled to their sex during the body & brain development that comes with puberty and grow up to be lesbian or gay.

Those are the ones who get to go through a natural puberty. Growing numbers of these children, though, are put on puberty blockers (chemotherapy drug Lupron, off-label) and so they never reach that stage. About 97% of those children go on to cross-sex hormones and a life of sterility, medication & probable surgery.

I have several friends who are very thankful that they grew up before all this was a thing.

This is an article about a young woman called Kate who thought she was trans and then realised she'd made a mistake. But by then some of the effects were irreversible.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/18/fears-medical-blunder-children-encouraged-have-sex-change-operations/