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AIBU to send them to bed with no evening meal?

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Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 17:40

Please advise me because I’m drowning here and I’m on my own with no one tonask in real life.

Background: have two DS, one nearly 4 and one nearly 8. The eldest has ASD but is high functioning. Just over a year ago I split from their dad after nearly 7 years of abuse. The boys now live with me and see him EOWend. I work 4 days a week, boys are at school and nursery, breakfast club first thing and childminder until 5pm which is when I collect them from work.

Both are picky eaters, my eldest much more so. He was refusing school dinners last year so this year I’ve let him take packed lunches which is going ok. He resents the time it takes to sit and eat when he’d rather be doing something else. Youngest has a hot meal at nursery at lunchtime.

Since September, what’s been happening is that we get in the house at about 5:15, I immediately start making them their evening meal, youngest plays or watches TV, eldest goes straight on minecraft or the ipad. I have been letting them in in the living room/at the PC because our table was covered in ‘stuff’ and because they used to always argue and fight at the table. My youngest usually does eat what I give him (even though he’d live on cream crackers given his own choice) but my eldest declares he doesn’t like it or eats two mouthfuls hen says he’s done, can barely tear himself away from the screen to bother to try it. They both know the rule that if they don’t eat a decent amount of heir meal then they don’t get anything else, I don’t expect them the clear their plates but I do expect them to eat a decent amount, the portion sizes are appropriate to their ages. But when I’m putting his little brother to bed he’ll raid the cupboard for crisps and snacks and leave he wrappers everywhere.

Frankly Im fed up! But I just don’t know what to do or where to start. I do everything in the house, my youngest helps with the laundry but it’s a raging battle anytime I ask my eldest to do ANYTHING at all to help. My Ex was a SAHD and wouldn’t allow my eldest to do anything for himself, (so he could bitch and moan that he was having to do it) so as a result my eldest is not used to having to do anything and resents me telling him to. I’m not asking for the earth, just for him to bring down his dirty uniform at the end of the week, take his plate into he kitchen etc. But it’s a massive screaming tantrum EVERY time.

But I have to do something and start somewhere. So tonight, I cooked meatballs and spaghetti. Both rejected it. I had enough. I cleared the table, put on a new tablecloth, set the plates on it and sat them down. I said no screens until after dinner.

Well my youngest started to eat happily. But my eldest immediately kicked off, shouting about child cruelty etc. Stormed off from the table screaming, the works. I told him that just because it’s not it’s favourite meal of all time doesn’t mean he can leave it, that it’s wrong to waste perfectly good food. Of course now my youngest has decided he doesn’t want it either because his big brother isnt eating it.

So I said fine, time for bed then. Youngest has gone to sleep fine. Eldest is reading and has calmed down and apologised for being ungrateful.

Please help me MN. Did I go too far? Not far enough? I want to stick to the new rule of no screens before mealtime, is it fair?

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Ummmmgogo · 17/10/2017 19:17

omg op your parenting is on fire today! pat your self on the back xxxxxx

Weebo · 17/10/2017 19:18

He sounds like a great wee boy Rinoa and you sound like a great mum.

Your ex is a cunt - Good job on not killing getting rid of him.

Weebo · 17/10/2017 19:20

Get Lovely Mum on MN Jon!

We need more ideas like that and tips on staying zen. :o

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 19:23

Thanks everyone for all your great ideas and support tonight Flowers

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EliseC1965 · 17/10/2017 19:28

I used rota’s and star charts for my 2 boys: one with Aspergers and the other with ODD, but finally getting a proper autism diagnosis sorted out (he’s now 17 and at College!).
They would see what jobs they had on the rota: I started with pictograms until they could both read properly, then get stars for each job completed. Then a reward at end of the week, depending on how many jobs and stars. If they didn’t do anything then no reward, but if all or majority were done, then we’d go to the pictures or they’d get a little toy.This was brilliant if little did well and eldest did nothing as he started to realise that he had to pull his weight and it became a competition. I had to start budgeting then 😂 for rewards.
Sounds as though he’s growing up now, if he’s apologetic without prompting.
Give yourself a star Grin

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 17/10/2017 19:40

You're new plan sounds great OP. You sound a fab mumFlowers

trappedinsuburbia · 17/10/2017 19:41

You sound like your a great mum !

Ellie56 · 17/10/2017 19:53

Children with ASD need routine and to know exactly what is going to happen. It might help if you remind him in the morning what is going to happen when they come back later in the day. i.e. no screens until after 6:30.

1.When he gets home he will do his homework.
2.Then he and his brother will help make the dinner.

  1. Then they will set the table.
  2. Then you all clear away.
  3. Then when you start putting his brother to bed at 6:30, that is when he can have his screen time until whatever time, say 7.30
  4. Then he will get ready for bed.
  5. Then he will read until whatever time you want him to go to sleep.

It might also help to make some sort of chart setting this out and sticking it on the fridge or somewhere, where he can see it and refer to it.

Mamabear4180 · 17/10/2017 19:56

When I first read your post, I must admit I was thinking it's a shame to go straight on screens after not seeing each other all day and eating in front of them would be a no-no for me although I do understand your reasons. Then I read your update and how your son responded and thought aw that's so lovely! Smile

It can't be easy on your own after an abusive relationship and dealing with special needs too. You sound like you're doing all you can. In answer to your op I would have said YANBU because it's important to tackle the issue and it sounds like it worked!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 17/10/2017 19:58

You sound like your a great mum !

Steady on,this is AIBU Wink

I agree though.

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 20:07

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen

GrinGrinGrin thank you Flowers

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Dutch1e · 17/10/2017 20:30

Bit late but wanted to emphasise this part: ASD is not an excuse for rudeness and bad behaviour.

In this case, 100% true. I have NT kids and your eldest's behaviour is so typical of this age.

Big congrats for standing firm and making progress. It's good for all of you, especially your youngest who is learning that nothing will help you get away with being an arse to mum, not even ASD Flowers

drspouse · 17/10/2017 20:30

A pinch point like a meal time (for you) is not a great time to introduce new rules.
Try telling him the new rule for dinner at a time he is calm.
E.g. everyone sits down while we are all eating and we get up when we have all finished (that is our rule). Pudding/screens/bath time (the little one loves her bath) is when everyone has finished eating their mains.
Remind him of the rule often. Ask him if he can repeat it back.
This is a key part of Calmer Easier Happier Parenting (it's a book that I should get commission on!)
But yes, well done to him for apologising.

youarenotkiddingme · 17/10/2017 20:38

My ds has asd. He is a good eater healthy balanced diet wise but is restricted in what foods he eats from each food group!
I tend to stick to 'safe meals' and batch book then and freeze in systema tubs

It's worthwhile remembering that a) people with autism usually hate change of routine so visuals and discussions of how things will be "the rules" would be a good starting point to make the change. And b) they often have executive function difficulties and changing from one activity to the next is difficult. So a visual and timer countdowns helps this.

When I first started introducing "coming off screens and remaining at table" I used the iPad timer app and counted down the time. Start with an amount of time he can manage and build up.

But what you are doing isn't wrong. If a child can sit at a table but just doesn't want to then they have to learn the natural consequence of their decision.

AJPTaylor · 18/10/2017 06:03

i have commented upthread.
my top tip. keep snacks and packed lunch extras in the boot of the car. discovered this when i had teens.

Rinoachicken · 18/10/2017 18:09

Just wanted to give a quick update - tonight we got in, the boys helped me put the dinner on, feed the cats, and then they laid the table and we sat and had south a nice pleasant meal!!!

My eldest agreed it was much nicer, and enjoyed telling me about his day (instead of ignoring me!).

After the meal they both cleared away and then my youngest helped me call out the spellings for my eldest to practice. Screen time is in 20minutes so just time for them to help me feed the tortoises Smile

Thank you all SO much Flowers

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 18/10/2017 18:10

What a brilliant updateSmile

Squirmy65ghyg · 18/10/2017 18:44

Grin that's great!

Want2bSupermum · 18/10/2017 18:49

Brilliant news! May this continue!!!!!!

SheRaaarghPrincessOfPower · 18/10/2017 18:51

VERY very similar situation here, this thread is very helpful.

The thing that's made the biggest difference is just stopping the tablets before dinner. They play on them at weekends now, and maybe once during the week if it's the holidays. HUGE difference.

Ummmmgogo · 18/10/2017 19:33

that is wonderful. well done to you and your boys xx

Dairymilkmuncher · 18/10/2017 20:54

Sounds like you’re doing brilliantly. Well done FlowersHalo

drspouse · 18/10/2017 22:02

Wow! That's lovely.

kateandme · 19/10/2017 00:44

Sit with just him at a seperate time.maturely adult to adults."listen bud I'm going to ask for a bit of help.things keep going ass up don't they.but we love eachother so much righ.so let's keep going ok let's keep trying to help eachother out.I need u to start acting like the growing man I no u are.ur fantastic love I'm so proud of u and how Uve handled everything so I need u to keep going with me"similar convo had here and it really helped,his shoulders blossomed with pride.
Do wot u did with meal.if it kicks off be exactly as u were.calmly don't reply emotionally.just keep eating "its that or nothing" clear plates,move on.like tonight hel soon realise.hence his apology.next night do the same.don't not keep asking him but dnt beg or yell him to table.our slowly crept over on 4th day.silently.ate.

Family meeting "right boys.cleaning is crsp.I hate it too.buuut I need ur help.so how we all going to step up.ask and tell ground rules.no chores no iPad.
U R NOT A FAILURE.U GOR FREE.CARRIED ON.U WON.xx

kateandme · 19/10/2017 00:49

Yay on update.keep going hun.it might slip,don't react breathe and remind them again,that kids fr u.
Also maybe sit down and ask them if anything they need to no bout the things they used to see.how some people treat others reaaaly wrongly.etc.

One night "right boys what masterpiece u cooking tonight.let's see ur skills."