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AIBU to send them to bed with no evening meal?

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Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 17:40

Please advise me because I’m drowning here and I’m on my own with no one tonask in real life.

Background: have two DS, one nearly 4 and one nearly 8. The eldest has ASD but is high functioning. Just over a year ago I split from their dad after nearly 7 years of abuse. The boys now live with me and see him EOWend. I work 4 days a week, boys are at school and nursery, breakfast club first thing and childminder until 5pm which is when I collect them from work.

Both are picky eaters, my eldest much more so. He was refusing school dinners last year so this year I’ve let him take packed lunches which is going ok. He resents the time it takes to sit and eat when he’d rather be doing something else. Youngest has a hot meal at nursery at lunchtime.

Since September, what’s been happening is that we get in the house at about 5:15, I immediately start making them their evening meal, youngest plays or watches TV, eldest goes straight on minecraft or the ipad. I have been letting them in in the living room/at the PC because our table was covered in ‘stuff’ and because they used to always argue and fight at the table. My youngest usually does eat what I give him (even though he’d live on cream crackers given his own choice) but my eldest declares he doesn’t like it or eats two mouthfuls hen says he’s done, can barely tear himself away from the screen to bother to try it. They both know the rule that if they don’t eat a decent amount of heir meal then they don’t get anything else, I don’t expect them the clear their plates but I do expect them to eat a decent amount, the portion sizes are appropriate to their ages. But when I’m putting his little brother to bed he’ll raid the cupboard for crisps and snacks and leave he wrappers everywhere.

Frankly Im fed up! But I just don’t know what to do or where to start. I do everything in the house, my youngest helps with the laundry but it’s a raging battle anytime I ask my eldest to do ANYTHING at all to help. My Ex was a SAHD and wouldn’t allow my eldest to do anything for himself, (so he could bitch and moan that he was having to do it) so as a result my eldest is not used to having to do anything and resents me telling him to. I’m not asking for the earth, just for him to bring down his dirty uniform at the end of the week, take his plate into he kitchen etc. But it’s a massive screaming tantrum EVERY time.

But I have to do something and start somewhere. So tonight, I cooked meatballs and spaghetti. Both rejected it. I had enough. I cleared the table, put on a new tablecloth, set the plates on it and sat them down. I said no screens until after dinner.

Well my youngest started to eat happily. But my eldest immediately kicked off, shouting about child cruelty etc. Stormed off from the table screaming, the works. I told him that just because it’s not it’s favourite meal of all time doesn’t mean he can leave it, that it’s wrong to waste perfectly good food. Of course now my youngest has decided he doesn’t want it either because his big brother isnt eating it.

So I said fine, time for bed then. Youngest has gone to sleep fine. Eldest is reading and has calmed down and apologised for being ungrateful.

Please help me MN. Did I go too far? Not far enough? I want to stick to the new rule of no screens before mealtime, is it fair?

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 17/10/2017 18:17

You did well. He needs to know that there is a limit to your patience. You don'thave the time nor the energy to cook different meals for different people, and that he can't have his favourites every day. Also, if he's invited to a friend's home you and he can't expect someone else's mother to chase round doing him quails in aspic while the rest of them are having beans and toast.

With my lot, they all got the same meal but if part of it was something they weren't keen on e.g. green beans I would put a tiny portion on the plate occasionally, and ask them to try (say) a single bean - if they still didn't like it I didn't insist that they cleared the rest of the portion. I always made sure that every meal had at least ONE item that each person would like.

My two children were very fussy as youngsters but will now eat just about anything - or at least try it. Children's tastes change - but interestingly their dislike of particular textures seems much more entrenched. You mention your son's dislike of rice - mine couldn't bear mushrooms - apparently they were like "slime". He's 33 and still doesn't eat them - though he will devour almost anything else.

Twillow · 17/10/2017 18:20

Well done for making a stand! Its so easy to realise you've slipped into bad routines (I say from regular experience...)
Keep on it x

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 18:20

MyDcAreMarvel but are not eating, even in front of a screen, that’s the point!

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Candlelight234 · 17/10/2017 18:21

To be honest I would get rid of snacks completely so there's no opportunity for DS to have one. Otherwise it sounds like what you did worked.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 17/10/2017 18:22

You sound at the end of your tetherBrewFlowers

I think what you did was fine. What about no screens until after dinner which includes eating a decent amount?

I would lock the crisps/ treats etc away somewhere so they can't be raided.

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 18:23

Yes they get a snack at the childminders before I collect them, so they aren’t waiting from my time til 5:30.

The snacks he is raiding is stuff I’ve bought for his packed lunches - which is even more annoying!!!

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QuackingHell · 17/10/2017 18:27

Am I the only person that thinks maybe you should remove the screens completely?! Confused reading, audiobook, play with toys?! They're only 8 and 4, surely they can live with less screen time especially if it's causing these sorts of problems. Make it for mornings and weekends only

PurpleMinionMummy · 17/10/2017 18:28

I was going to say yabu but I wouldn't class that as sending them to bed with no tea, it was their choice not to eat.

Can you cook at the same time every day? I wonder if a timetable would help where (for examples) 5.30 to 6.30 is tea time and no screens so there's no rush to finish as they still can't have screens until 6.30

QuackingHell · 17/10/2017 18:28

And stop buying junk food so it's not even an option!

AuntLydia · 17/10/2017 18:28

I think you handled that well. I was reading your op thinking....she needs to get them sat at the table and no screens til after they've eaten. Which you did - and it looks like it worked! Hide the snacks though.

Allthewaves · 17/10/2017 18:28

You have my adhd 9 year old. We have very set rules now. No screens until after dinner and if you don't eat half then no screens at all. He is often sent away from table while his siblings eat as he's creating such a fuss. More often than not he comes down and eats his dinner when everyone finished

ny20005 · 17/10/2017 18:33

Keep going with what your doing & lock away all the snack stuff so he can’t eat it

Consistency & routine & he’ll get it. He’ll soon learn that it’s quicker to eat & then maybe he can have 30 mins of screen time when younger dc is going to bed x

RB68 · 17/10/2017 18:33

Earn screen time and treats like crisps - lock on the door and you can use cupboard for electronics too. At 8 I would be expecting laying the table, getting drinks ready or at least the beakers and jug. Then once finished dishes into kitchen - same for 4 yr old (startem young).

I would let hm eat what he wants to eat but say screen time is dependant on whether he has eaten sufficient amount of his dinner. There is one snack/supper item later once brother in bed. I would allow hm screen time when I am doing bedtime if he has earnt it.

Re dirty uniform - could you start with a basket in his room to put it in to start with, maybe moving to an upstairs basket then a downstairs one etc

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 18:33

I am at the end of my tether. I go to bed crying because I just feel like I’m failing at EVERYTHING.

School and nursery say both boys have blossomed in the last year since I split from their dad, and that I am doing a great job, but it really doesn’t feel like that from where I am.

I DO try and take my sons ASD into account, I won’t give him food I know he has issues with. But ASD is not an excuse for rudeness and bad behaviour. I work with adults with LDs and ASD so I do try and make sure I’m not overwhelming him too much.

But I honesty feel that this isn’t an ASD thing. It’s an “I want everything my own way” thing. He want to sit for hours in front of the computer. I want him to do his homework and sit and eat a meal.

Is it that unreasonable to ask that he do his homework while I’m preparing the meal, eat his meal, then have his screen time after that? He already has 2 hours of downtime at the childminders so it’s not like I’m asking him to go straight from school into schoolwork.

He acts like I’m the devil incarnate for asking ANYTHING of him at all.

I am painfully aware that he has witnessed his dad talking to me like shit. I am afraid of being unable to parent him if I can’t get him to show me some respect in the next year. We do have conversations (when he’s calm) about being a family unit and everyone having to do their bit to keep the house working, and he agrees and says all the right things, but it only lasts a couple of days before I’m getting the attitude again because I’ve asked him to pick up his socks.

I have no family anywhere near me, I’m very much on my own and I’m struggling Sad

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DaemonPantalaemon · 17/10/2017 18:36

But when I’m putting his little brother to bed he’ll raid the cupboard for crisps and snacks and leave he wrappers everywhere

The snacks he is raiding is stuff I’ve bought for his packed lunches - which is even more annoying!!!

Maybe you shouldn't buy crisps and snacks for his packed lunches? I am not from the UK, but aren't there usually posts on MN about schools policing packed lunches? How do you get away with giving him crisps for his packed lunches?

brasty · 17/10/2017 18:37

I think you did the right thing. It sounds like you did a great job.

DaemonPantalaemon · 17/10/2017 18:39

And I agree with the suggestion to remove screen time, and would add that they can earn it during the week, to use at weekends. It is going be tough the first week, but you can make it work. Good luck!! And don't give up!

Getoutofthatgarden · 17/10/2017 18:39

You did the right thing. YANBU

Sirzy · 17/10/2017 18:41

It could well be too much to ask sadly yes.

But if you want him to do it you need to have a very clear routines and expections - maybe a visual timetable would help?

Want2bSupermum · 17/10/2017 18:42

rhino here in New Jersey USA they have therapists who are specially trained on how to help DC like your son function at home. They come in for short periods with a specific goal to accomplish while they work with you. Ask the school what resources are available for help with homelife. If no answers look to the autism charities for assistance. You are not the only parent facing this. Flowers

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 17/10/2017 18:43

It's never nice, laying down the law, but needs must.
You got a result, well done.
You sound like a great Mum to me, just stay on track, be fair, but mean business.

honeylulu · 17/10/2017 18:45

*I’d be fine with a later mealtime but they always say they are STARVING!!

(Just not starving for a proper meal! If it was crisps and crackers and crap that would be fine!)*

This stood out for me. My friend's children insist they are STARVING and she always rushes to give them dinner no later than 5pm. The thing is they then don't eat it. One picks at it. The other often doesn't eat any. They declare they are finished and leave the table. As soon as it's safely cleared away out they pop to raid the cupboards for crisps, biscuits etc, which they know are only allowed after dinner. I suspect they only declare themselves hungry in order to get the annoying ritual of an unwanted healthy dinner out of the way.

I think what you did was just fine and they seem to have responded to it quite well! #winning

Getoutofthatgarden · 17/10/2017 18:45

I am at the end of my tether. I go to bed crying because I just feel like I’m failing at EVERYTHING

You're not failing at everything though, what you did tonight was exactly right and your son ate his meal.

RB68 · 17/10/2017 18:45

He showed you respect tonight with his apology - I thought that was very well done for an 8 yr old.

I always found telling off and punishment didn't work as well as being clear about how disappointed I was in DD behaviour and lack of thought

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 18:45

Sorry Ia trying to keep up with all the replies, everyone is being so helpful, thank you.

I’ll try and respond to a few here:

  • Definitely yes to locking the cupboard! Going to go out and get a little padlock tomorrow at lunch.
  • I agree that he should be doing more (I know I was!), and I’ve already got my youngest helping out and he automatically puts things in the bin and dirty dishes in the sink without being asked, which is great. It’s getting the eldest to pitch in that’s the battle. I refuse to argue with him about it, I tell him what I want him to do, but he’ll immediately make a fuss, if I point out that I’ve not asked him to do anything else that day etc he then just starts yelling and storming about, telling me what a hard day he’s had etc etc. Apparently me going to work and running the house and doing EVERYTHING for him and his brother is nowhere near as hard as being at school! (Yes we have had this conversation!).
  • I like the idea of having a ‘set’ screen time, like someone said. So no screens until after 6:30 if he’s done the other things expected of him (like lay the table and eat his meal?).
  • my youngest doesn’t watch much tv, other than fireman Sam, he prefers playing which is fine. My eldest is an avid reader and will stay up all night reading given half the chance! So it’s not like they just have screens and nothing else. But when I’m on my own and trying to cook and they are in the other room fighting and arguing, yes it has been easier over the last year to let them do what they want so I could make the dinner (which they don’t eat).
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