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AIBU to send them to bed with no evening meal?

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Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 17:40

Please advise me because I’m drowning here and I’m on my own with no one tonask in real life.

Background: have two DS, one nearly 4 and one nearly 8. The eldest has ASD but is high functioning. Just over a year ago I split from their dad after nearly 7 years of abuse. The boys now live with me and see him EOWend. I work 4 days a week, boys are at school and nursery, breakfast club first thing and childminder until 5pm which is when I collect them from work.

Both are picky eaters, my eldest much more so. He was refusing school dinners last year so this year I’ve let him take packed lunches which is going ok. He resents the time it takes to sit and eat when he’d rather be doing something else. Youngest has a hot meal at nursery at lunchtime.

Since September, what’s been happening is that we get in the house at about 5:15, I immediately start making them their evening meal, youngest plays or watches TV, eldest goes straight on minecraft or the ipad. I have been letting them in in the living room/at the PC because our table was covered in ‘stuff’ and because they used to always argue and fight at the table. My youngest usually does eat what I give him (even though he’d live on cream crackers given his own choice) but my eldest declares he doesn’t like it or eats two mouthfuls hen says he’s done, can barely tear himself away from the screen to bother to try it. They both know the rule that if they don’t eat a decent amount of heir meal then they don’t get anything else, I don’t expect them the clear their plates but I do expect them to eat a decent amount, the portion sizes are appropriate to their ages. But when I’m putting his little brother to bed he’ll raid the cupboard for crisps and snacks and leave he wrappers everywhere.

Frankly Im fed up! But I just don’t know what to do or where to start. I do everything in the house, my youngest helps with the laundry but it’s a raging battle anytime I ask my eldest to do ANYTHING at all to help. My Ex was a SAHD and wouldn’t allow my eldest to do anything for himself, (so he could bitch and moan that he was having to do it) so as a result my eldest is not used to having to do anything and resents me telling him to. I’m not asking for the earth, just for him to bring down his dirty uniform at the end of the week, take his plate into he kitchen etc. But it’s a massive screaming tantrum EVERY time.

But I have to do something and start somewhere. So tonight, I cooked meatballs and spaghetti. Both rejected it. I had enough. I cleared the table, put on a new tablecloth, set the plates on it and sat them down. I said no screens until after dinner.

Well my youngest started to eat happily. But my eldest immediately kicked off, shouting about child cruelty etc. Stormed off from the table screaming, the works. I told him that just because it’s not it’s favourite meal of all time doesn’t mean he can leave it, that it’s wrong to waste perfectly good food. Of course now my youngest has decided he doesn’t want it either because his big brother isnt eating it.

So I said fine, time for bed then. Youngest has gone to sleep fine. Eldest is reading and has calmed down and apologised for being ungrateful.

Please help me MN. Did I go too far? Not far enough? I want to stick to the new rule of no screens before mealtime, is it fair?

OP posts:
RB68 · 17/10/2017 18:46

Also just remember Parents always see the worst of their kids and yours have been though quite alot recently. Kids do push our buttons

JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 18:47

Is it that unreasonable to ask that he do his homework while I’m preparing the meal, eat his meal, then have his screen time after that?

No it's not unreasonable at all OP. BUT I have a DS with ASD & ADHD and whilst I allow screens on the rare occasion we're out (and I need him to sit bloody still long enough to eat at least two morsals!) but at home and the general rule of thumb is that screens are not allowed at the kitchen table. It will be hard at first but that's because it's a new rule you're implementing = ergo change. OP Flowers

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 18:50

Maybe you shouldn't buy crisps and snacks for his packed lunches? I am not from the UK, but aren't there usually posts on MN about schools policing packed lunches? How do you get away with giving him crisps for his packed lunches?

Crisps are allowed in his packed lunch. The other ‘snacks’ are things like malt loaf, bread sticks, yoghurt, brioche, I’ve even know him help himself to bowls of cereal - all things that are to go in his lunchbox but that I don’t have in infinite supply!

It’s not that he’s eating them as such, because it’s not exactly junk food, it’s that he refuses the meal and then picks for hours afterwards.

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JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 18:51

but he’ll immediately make a fuss

Ignore it. Everytime. Just repeat what you want him to do. "I asked you to wash the pots and then you can have screen time, the pots aren't washed yet so you can't have screen time". You need to be consistent and mean it, I understand how hard it is OP I really do. (I'm crafty - WiFi is operated from my mobile phone - if the DCs dont do as I've asked them to by x time, I turn it off.

JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 18:52

How do you get away with giving him crisps for his packed lunches?

They are crisps. Crisps are allowed in packed lunches. Confused

JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 18:54

OP the constant need for eating can be a sensory thing. I didnt know this until a friend of mine told me she'd started letting her DC have chewing gum, just so they had the sensation of eating something without raiding the cupboards every ten minutes.

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 18:54

His school have been really supportive over the last year, they have a good home-school link team. Think I’ll start with them for some advice.

Knowing how much we have to fight get ANY support for the families and adults I support at work, I think it’s next to impossible that we would be eligible for any sort of support or therapy because he’s not ‘challenging’ enough - we won’t be high enough need.

I have looked into parent support groups near me but if they are on days I work or are in the evening and I have no one to look after them in the evenings.

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Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 18:55

That’s interesting JonSnow, I didn’t know that. He hates having to eat anything that involves too much chewing, yet ironically will chew on anything to hand that isn’t food (he now has an autism Lego brick chew thing).

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Weebo · 17/10/2017 18:57

DS1 also has high functioning ASD and I have had the child cruelty speech over screen time. :o

I know the difference between him finding a situation difficult because of his autism and when he's just being difficult and I'm confident you do too.

Please God, do not beat yourself up for this on top of everything else you are dealing with.

JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 18:57

I think it’s next to impossible that we would be eligible for any sort of support or therapy because he’s not ‘challenging’ enough - we won’t be high enough need.

That's a common copout and untrue too. I had a bloody senco tell me this about DS. Guess what? Change to a more sensible school and it turned out he did qualify despite not being challenging enough! Ask and you shall receive and all that.

I really do feel for you OP. I can remember going into my local sure start begging for a family support worker. Sad

Boysarebackintown · 17/10/2017 18:59

School and nursery say both boys have blossomed in the last year since I split from their dad, and that I am doing a great job
Remember this^ and give yourself a little pat on the back- do a little happy dance!
You have all had a big change, and all of you are getting used to a new way of living together, well done for making that change and changing all your lives for the better.
You have had some great advice in here OP . From what you have said your two have taken notice of you today, so little steps, new boundaries and new "team family" conversations around the rules you want are the things to do. If I may suggest one thing ? Not sure if you have mentioned this, but is it worth them helping with the cooking ? Just the little jobs like getting out pots and pans, measuring out the pasta or rice plus maybe timing the cooking/setting table. FWIW I think all DC go through these stages with pushing boundaries you just have it all to cope with on your own at the moment. Sounds to me like you are going in the right direction, good luck x

DaemonPantalaemon · 17/10/2017 19:00

Crisps are allowed in his packed lunch. The other ‘snacks’ are things like malt loaf, bread sticks, yoghurt, brioche, I’ve even know him help himself to bowls of cereal - all things that are to go in his lunchbox but that I don’t have in infinite supply!

Thanks for explaining what is and is not allowed OP! Like I said (and this is directed particularly at JonSnowsWife who is quick to make frowny faces, and not so quick to read) I am not from the UK and had always been curious about the packed lunch policing I read on about here. Consider me schooled!

Pinkpeppermintteaforme · 17/10/2017 19:00

It doesnt sound like there are sensory issues just that the DC dont want to leave their screens to eat!
Tbh I think screen time is best earned at this age and you should build on your DC apology and set new rules as a result.
No screens until dinner is eaten and cleared away with everyone helping.
Any fuss and screens are put away.
Ditch the junk .
I think you handled it really well

JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 19:01

He hates having to eat anything that involves too much chewing,

Yes I didnt until a friend enlightened me, I think I read it on here too once on a thread. It stuck out at me because I'd mainly spent the summer holidays going "but you ate ten minutes ago? How can you possibly be hungry?" Confused they're not hungry sometimes they can just need to chew. DS was a hand biter/chewer too. I think it's anxiety based. DS hasn't chewed the back of his hand since I moved him schools.

Chestervase1 · 17/10/2017 19:02

Why don’t you give them a tea when you arrive home instead of dinner. Cheese on toast, crackers, dips or sandwiches. All sit down and discuss your day. No gadgets or tablets. They can then play until bath and bedtime. Choose your battles. You don’t have to cook every evening.

jannier · 17/10/2017 19:02

ASD is hard to manage - do you have any support groups?
Personally I think you have to stick to clear rules and rewards no matter what (children with ASD need rules and routines and in my experience what happens once is always going to happen so change is hard).
I would stop having snacks in the house and when you do buy only a pack each at a time. Have a menu plan that they can get involved in cooking and deciding on (with boundaries one protein one carb 3 veg type)
No tv or screens until homework and dinner done.
In 25 years of working with children including with some with an ASD diagnosis its not quick or easy but works.

RavingRoo · 17/10/2017 19:02

One thing that worked with my asd nephew is telling him firmly that when the snacks are gone that week they’re gone, so nothing nice to liven up his packed lunch. Stick by it long enough and it becomes a fact of life for both of them. Also, regarding dinner - I’m of the camp that if you have served up something the kids usually like and they won’t eat it, then you don’t offer an alternative, not even for very young kids. No need to make a big deal about it, but a quiet this will be available when you want to eat will calm the pickiest of eaters. Offering alternatives gets parents into a mess and makes dinner time an uncessarily power battle.

GummyGoddess · 17/10/2017 19:03

Would it work to then not replace the snacks he has eaten in his lunchbox so he learns if he eats them then they are unavailable for lunch?

CrmbleBee · 17/10/2017 19:03

You did the right thing. Well done you. Stick to your guns so that you don't lose the good progress made today.

AcrossthePond55 · 17/10/2017 19:05

I think you handled it very well! And the suggestions made are great.

My two used to get home 'starving', too. I'd give them half an apple, a few baby carrots, or a handful of raisins to 'tide them over' til supper. I found that if they got 'hangry' they actually fussed more and/or didn't eat as well as if they had something small already in their stomachs. If your eldest doesn't like 'chewy' foods, maybe a bit of soft fruit, 1/2 carton of yoghurt or a couple of bites of soft cheese.

JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 19:08

Offering alternatives gets parents into a mess and makes dinner time an uncessarily power battle.

Yes. Being black and white about it defintelt helps. If it I something new, that they've tried and don't like I will happily make a quick alternative. Spaghetti hoops on toast here - oddly the kids favourite and my worst thing - the smell alone makes me gag.

If it's something they like and refuse to eat I just very matter of factly state "well there's nothing else". Suddenly knowing the alternative will probably end up being plain old toast means they relent a little.

Weebo · 17/10/2017 19:08

Jon. that chewing gum idea quite genius, actually.

I'm definitely going to give that a go.

Rinoachicken · 17/10/2017 19:10

He’s been chewing much less since his dad left, his anxiety has gone right down which is good. His dad would deliberately wind him up til he lost it and then would punish him for that Sad

I’m much more consistent, (try to be!) with how I give him instructions, how I phrase things, etc. For example I won’t tell him to put his shoes and socks on (because that’s impossible because your socks go on first not your shoes!) and that I want him to put something on his bed (not simply take it upstairs, because then I fall over it on the top step later!).

He just came down to chat (and apologise again) and we’ve agreed that from not on, here will be no screens until after 6:30. In the meantime, he can do his homework if he has any, he and his brother can help make the dinner, they will together set the table, we will eat, we will together clear away, then when I start putting his brother to bed at 6:30, that is when he can have his screen time.

We agreed that if he won’t help as agreed, or throws a strop at the table etc, he loses his screen time that evening.

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JonSnowsWife · 17/10/2017 19:11

@Weebo thankyou, I can't take credit though as it was someone on here I think, and also who I've christened 'lovely mum' at school. She's very friendly, brilliant mum, doesnt look a day over 21 and I'm totally jealous of her constant zen state.

Mrsmadevans · 17/10/2017 19:14

You sound like you are doing a great job my dear , I think you have to be consistent , you have to keep doing what you did tonight every day until they both comply. I know it is hard and I know you are worn out from it all but it is the only thing that will work , Good luck my dear

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