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FMOTUS: F***ing Moron of the United States (Trump) thread continued

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TheClaws · 16/10/2017 03:03

As aptly dubbed by his own Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.

Old thread:
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And as I love giving you images to haunt your dreams, here’s another one, blasphemously titled ‘Our Lord and Saviour’.

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PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2017 08:11

Oh that's grim, Pain. Pregnant teenagers being effectively detained and forced to give birth... With the plan of keeping them from their families until it's too late, if that's what it takes.

Lweji · 17/10/2017 08:19

But no sex education or contraceptives?

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2017 08:49

Well they're in immigration custody, and many of those pregnant are believed to have suffered sexual violence or rape. So lack of sex education in the US not to blame for those.

But one of the many disturbing things is this statement from the HHS, in whose custody the girls are: "There is no constitutional right for a pregnant minor to illegally cross the U.S. border and get an elective abortion while in federal custody."

And this is echoed in the comments.

IIUC, both the HHS and some of the commenters are saying that women's rights as women under US law are not for all women; if you're the wrong sort of female immigrant, you lose your rights to bodily autonomy - unrelated to immigration issues.

"The ACLU brought suit on Friday on behalf of the 17-year-old in the Brownsville shelter, contending HHS has barred the girl, now about 14 weeks pregnant, from getting the abortion even though she got a judge’s permission to have it without parental consent and has obtained the money to pay for it. Abortions after 20 weeks are illegal under Texas law.

"The girl, identified in court papers only as Jane Doe, obtained a judge’s permission on Sept. 25 and had an initial abortion appointment scheduled for Sept. 28, at the end of her first trimester, Amiri said.

"But officials at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, which is part of HHS, refused to transport her to her abortion appointment, instead taking her to a crisis pregnancy center, and calling her mother in her home country to tell her about the pregnancy, according to the ACLU suit and Amiri.
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"HHS officials released a statement Monday night, asserting the agency is within its rights to prevent unaccompanied and undocumented teens in the U.S. from getting abortions.
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"The ACLU estimates that several hundred pregnant minors are currently in federal shelters throughout the country. Most are from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador and immigration experts believe many are victims of rape and sexual violence, either in their home countries or during the perilous journey here. If they are apprehended after crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, they are housed in HHS shelters separate from adults until they are reunited with relatives or other sponsors, or else deported."

This isn't about funding: they're preventing teenagers who can pay for an abortion, and who have met the legal requirements for an abortion, from having an abortion.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/10/2017 08:49

God no, how would they be able to control women’s bodies then?

Lweji · 17/10/2017 08:55

Well they're in immigration custody, and many of those pregnant are believed to have suffered sexual violence or rape. So lack of sex education in the US not to blame for those.
It was a generic comment without having read the details.
My first thought was actually in relation to the men responsible for the pregnancies.

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2017 09:27

Yes yes, I should have mentioned in my first post that it was immigration custody. Apologies for not being clear.

CaveMum · 17/10/2017 09:47

Saw this on Twitter and think it sums things up well regarding Trumps outrageous statement about previous Presidents.

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Natsku · 17/10/2017 10:52

Fucking hell, those poor girls :(

goose1964 · 17/10/2017 11:22

I read a slightly more hopeful article about NK whilst Trump is firing off incendiary tweets Tillerson is still talking. Do you think they tell him to ignore the orange toddler?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/10/2017 11:54

It's good that he's continuing to talk but the headline is alarming

Tillerson: N. Korea diplomacy continues until 1st 'bomb drops'

abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/tillerson-nkorea-diplomacy-continues-1st-bomb-drops-50494391

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/10/2017 13:39

FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow

thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

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Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.

Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.

They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

The racketeering scheme was conducted “with the consent of higher level officials” in Russia who “shared the proceeds” from the kickbacks, one agent declared in an affidavit years later.

Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefitting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions.

The first decision occurred in October 2010, when the State Department and government agencies on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States unanimously approved the partial sale of Canadian mining company Uranium One to the Russian nuclear giant Rosatom, giving Moscow control of more than 20 percent of America’s uranium supply.

When this sale was used by Trump on the campaign trail last year, Hillary Clinton’s spokesman said she was not involved in the committee review and noted the State Department official who handled it said she “never intervened ... on any [Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States] matter.”

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/10/2017 13:42

Russia Probe: Senate Asks Mike Flynn’s Son for Documents, Testimony

www.nbcnews.com/news/all/russia-probe-senate-asks-mike-flynn-s-son-documents-testimony-n811226

WASHINGTON — The Senate Intelligence Committee has requested documents and testimony from Michael G. Flynn, the son of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, but has not received a response, three sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The committee, which is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, is interested in Flynn’s work as his father’s aide and travel companion with Flynn Intel Group, the consulting firm retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn formed after he left government service, the sources said.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/10/2017 13:43
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cozietoesie · 17/10/2017 13:51

For what it’s worth, my own view is that they didn’t expect to win in 2016. Their timing was geared differently and since then, they’ve had to adjust fast - to a degree, they’re ‘winging it’. Stay alert. (People who have to ‘wing it’ usually make mistakes. Especially when they don’t have complete control.)

TheNorthWestPawsage · 17/10/2017 13:53

WTF??? Angry

TheNorthWestPawsage · 17/10/2017 13:54

Sorry Cozie my outrage was at Scaramucci poll!

cozietoesie · 17/10/2017 14:51

I thought as much, NorthWest. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/10/2017 15:02

This is also problematic

The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes
North Korea has developed a cyberattack program that is stealing millions and unleashing havoc

The World Once Laughed at North Korean Cyberpower. No More.

www.nytimes.com/2017/10/15/world/asia/north-korea-hacking-cyber-sony.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

When North Korean hackers tried to steal $1 billion from the New York Federal Reserve last year, only a spelling error stopped them. They were digitally looting an account of the Bangladesh Central Bank, when bankers grew suspicious about a withdrawal request that had misspelled “foundation” as “fandation.”

Even so, Kim Jong-un’s minions still got away with $81 million in that heist.

Then only sheer luck enabled a 22-year-old British hacker to defuse the biggest North Korean cyberattack to date, a ransomware attack last May that failed to generate much cash but brought down hundreds of thousands of computers across dozens of countries — and briefly crippled Britain’s National Health Service.

Their track record is mixed, but North Korea’s army of more than 6,000 hackers is undeniably persistent, and undeniably improving, according to American and British security officials who have traced these attacks and others back to the North.

Amid all the attention on Pyongyang’s progress in developing a nuclear weapon capable of striking the continental United States, the North Koreans have also quietly developed a cyberprogram that is stealing hundreds of millions of dollars and proving capable of unleashing global havoc.

Unlike its weapons tests, which have led to international sanctions, the North’s cyberstrikes have faced almost no pushback or punishment, even as the regime is already using its hacking capabilities for actual attacks against its adversaries in the West.

And just as Western analysts once scoffed at the potential of the North’s nuclear program, so did experts dismiss its cyberpotential — only to now acknowledge that hacking is an almost perfect weapon for a Pyongyang that is isolated and has little to lose.

The country’s primitive infrastructure is far less vulnerable to cyberretaliation, and North Korean hackers operate outside the country, anyway. Sanctions offer no useful response, since a raft of sanctions are already imposed. And Mr. Kim’s advisers are betting that no one will respond to a cyberattack with a military attack, for fear of a catastrophic escalation between North and South Korea.

cozietoesie · 17/10/2017 15:25

Indeed. But at least they now know about it.

lionheart · 17/10/2017 16:56

Blimey.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/10/2017 17:48

The shooting at Las Vegas was 16 days ago and what positive steps has the GOP taken to address this?

He’s a candidate but still:

GOP Candidate for Georgia Governor Is Holding a ‘Bump Stock’ Giveaway

www.thedailybeast.com/gop-candidate-for-georgia-governor-is-holding-a-bump-stock-giveaway

lionheart · 17/10/2017 18:03

That is disgraceful.

lionheart · 17/10/2017 18:44

Trump warns ‘I fight back’ after McCain hits foreign policy

apnews.com/cd337697c2f04726b69076627c014eb7?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

lionheart · 17/10/2017 19:13

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Biden says 14 different heads of state have contacted him to have him explain what's going on

Fekko · 17/10/2017 19:30

I would have said 'f off you big stinking pile of shit' but McCain was a bit classier with “I have faced tougher adversaries.”