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FMOTUS: F***ing Moron of the United States (Trump) thread continued

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TheClaws · 16/10/2017 03:03

As aptly dubbed by his own Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.

Old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3047195-Hello-Don-got-a-new-tax-cut-Trump-continued

And as I love giving you images to haunt your dreams, here’s another one, blasphemously titled ‘Our Lord and Saviour’.

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TheClaws · 23/10/2017 00:29

Sounds like he is a totally innocent witness.

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 1h1 hour ago
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During Jared's testimony, Gowdy said he could leave whenever he wanted. Kushner did—as he was still being questioned reut.rs/2yw0vv5

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cozietoesie · 23/10/2017 00:43

I give it two weeks before he packs in the whole thing. Smile

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2017 01:13

Follow the money:

Meet Bill Browder

Bill Browder ‏*@Billbrowder*
Not only did Putin add me to the Interpol list, but the US simultaneously revoked my visa. @jaynordlinger explains
www.nationalreview.com/corner/452978/why-bill-browder-banned-america

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/21/russia-british-businessman-bill-browder-interpol?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Russia puts British Putin critic on Interpol wanted list
Vladimir Putin said to have agreed to move against Bill Browder, who has battled Moscow over ‘Magnitsky Act’

www.channel4.com/news/bill-browder-ive-hit-the-achilles-heel-of-the-putin-regime
Bill Browder: ‘I’ve hit the Achilles’ heel of the Putin regime’

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act
Magnitsky Act

www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html
Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

edition.cnn.com/2017/09/08/opinions/shell-companies-russia-probe-north-korea-opinion-zeldin-cassella/index.html
On Russia and North Korea, shell companies conceal the truth

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-15/russia-laundering-probe-puts-trump-tower-meeting-in-new-light
Russian laundering probe puts trump tower meeting in new light

And back to the UK:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39964545
Police probe UK links to Magnitsky money

www.ft.com/content/1eb38914-2ca4-11e6-a18d-a96ab29e3c95
Russia: Magnitsky’s bitter legacy
The ‘established’ story of an accountant who died in police custody and a fraud is being challenged

It also seemed to have been rushed out in the wake of a revelation in the Panama Papers that $2bn had passed through a network of offshore companies nominally controlled by Sergei Roldugin, a cellist friend of Mr Putin. One of the groups involved in the Panama Papers investigation later reported that some Magnitsky fraud money had passed through part of the same network.

www.pressgazette.co.uk/political-murder-panama-papers-reporter-daphne-caruana-galizia-killed-by-car-bomb-in-malta/
'Political murder': Panama Papers reporter Daphne Caruana Galizia killed by car bomb in Malta

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/how-did-arron-banks-afford-brexit
How did Arron Banks afford Brexit?

Now, it'd be easy to say this was the stuff of conspiracy theories.

But.

His Taxes.
Journalists that keep dying.
Money Laundering.
Panama Papers.

They KEEP cropping up around every corner. And the same gurning faces KEEP popping up at all the appropriate times.

Even if things are not directly related and connected there is a reoccurring theme, and there seem to be an awful of people with the vested interests which are aligned.

OuaisMaisBon · 23/10/2017 05:54

I've just now read that exchange between Trump and Bartiromo, I couldn't face it yesterday, thank you Pain. Well, for once, Trump is actually telling the truth, albeit somewhat incoherently: "Other people - well it's about me representing rich people... Representing - being representative of rich people."
Self, self, self, that's all he's about - him and his wealthy cronies who support his idiotic behaviour.
That cub scout thing. Seriously?
We're thinking about visiting New York next summer (I know, but it will be a graduation present for the daughter after she finishes her BA), but much as I love Manhattan, even in the summer, I'm not sure I can face going to the US when Trump is "in charge". Many years ago, when we were courting, the husband and I visited Trump Towers out of curiosity, as we were walking past it. I think my belief the man is a dickhead started then and nothing he has done since has changed my opinion of him.

lionheart · 23/10/2017 06:09

Bill Browder‏Verified account
@Billbrowder
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Couldn’t get more absurd. Russian authorities are accusing me & unknown MI6 agent of murdering Sergei Magnitsky

www.nytimes.com/2017/10/22/world/europe/russia-sergei-magnitsky-william-browder.html?_r=0

PainInTheEerie · 23/10/2017 07:33

red and still trump refuses to act on the veto-proof bill passed that enshrines the Magnitsky act into law, despite the deadline for this being 23 days ago.

More on how Bill is able to be persecuted by Interpol - a thread written a week ago:

Molly McKew
@MollyMcKew
Ok, so let's talk about how Russia co-opts institutions.
Case study: INTERPOL /1

Nov 2016, when we weren't paying attn, China & Russia engineered their election to key Interpol leadership posts /2

China and Russia Take the Helm of Interpol
foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/10/china-and-russia-take-the-helm-of-interpol/

Yes, this is as bad as it sounds. Both countries abuse Interpol to target political/economic opponents. China: /3

Interpol Is Helping Enforce China’s Political Purges
foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/21/interpol-is-helping-enforce-chinas-political-purges/amp/

Russia: /4

How Moscow Uses Interpol to Pursue Its Enemies
<a class="break-all" href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/world/europe/how-moscow-uses-interpol-to-pursue-its-enemies.html?referer=t.co/s01aNfqYLf?amp=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/world/europe/how-moscow-uses-interpol-to-pursue-its-enemies.html?referer=t.co/s01aNfqYLf?amp=1

So, great, we were busy and distracted and allowed abusers of interpol to co-opt its power to prevent freedom of movt, etc. /5
But now we are empowering the entrenchment of that abuse by relying on the institutions the Russians have co-opted. How? /6

By using institutions when we doubt their soundness. SecDef says Interpol will database of ISIS fighters, for ex /7

Mattis Highlights Working By, With, Through Allies
www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1340562/mattis-highlights-working-by-with-through-allies/

But Russia has problematic connections to ISIS. See: /8

Vladimir Putin’s Newest Export: Terrorists
www.thedailybeast.com/vladimir-putins-newest-export-terrorists

And this: /9

Russia’s Giving ISIS An Air Force
www.thedailybeast.com/russias-giving-isis-an-air-force

And this: /10

Russia's Double Game with Islamic Terror
www.thedailybeast.com/russias-double-game-with-islamic-terror

and this: /11

Trump’s Plan to Fight ISIS With Putin Isn’t Just Futile. It’s Dangerous.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/trumps-plan-to-fight-isis-with-putin-isnt-just-futile-its-dangerous-214743

Also, Interpol has just signed new info sharing agreement with of course! FSB-aligned Kaspersky Lab: /12

Kaspersky inks threat intel sharing agreement with Interpol
thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/355095-kaspersky-inks-threat-intel-sharing-agreement-with-interpol?amp
Taken together -- there are many reasons to believe Interpol is not the best partner to keep ISIS fighters from targeting Europe/US /13

We still believe institutions are sound and good -- even though Russia has become masterful at undermining and subverting them /14

We need a full diplomatic team that can oversee how we interact with these institutions, and how candidates for them are put forward /15

... to ensure that our interests are represented in them. Right now we are in a self-defeating cycle -- /16

of ignoring institutional relationships, which then weaken without American involvement, which then don't serve our interests... /17

... and then we withdraw or walk away. The post WWII-era hasn't been good for America by accident. It was good b/c we shaped it to be /18

Enough of handing intel to Russia, China that they use against us. Enough of losing institutions that we helped build. Enough. /19

PainInTheEerie · 23/10/2017 07:56

Conversation
Defense One
Defense One
@DefenseOne
EXCLUSIVE: US Preparing to Put Nuclear Bombers Back on 24-Hour Alert | @MarcusReports

Sarah Kendzior
Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
US nuclear bombers are on 24-hour alert now. This hasn't happened in 26 years.

Here we go...

PainInTheEerie · 23/10/2017 07:59

Judd Legum
@JuddLegum
NYPD cops say an 18-year-old “consented” to sex while in custody. Now they are using social media to smear her.

NYPD cops are smearing a victim accusing them of rape to avoid indictment
thinkprogress.org/anna-chambers-nypd-cops-attack-credibility-38ec1d7f9c22/amp/

Patrick Nonwhite
@NonWhiteHat
For some reason, it is legal for New York cops to have "consensual" sex with detained suspects.

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
This is outrageous. It is not possible for someone who is in custody to meaningfully consent to have sex with an arresting officer.

PainInTheEerie · 23/10/2017 08:05

Sarah Kendzior
@sarahkendzior
Spoke in Austin yesterday. Audience member asked about how Trump camp would spin Russia now. At 1:07:30 I answer:

t.co/hcWoBuOxQB?amp=1

I elaborated on this thread, where I said the very people long condemning Russian interference will be blamed for it

mobile.twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/920848895323799552 [it’s an interesting thread about what the bots are up to]

After that thread, Trump issued statements and tweets indicating that is the way they will spin it. And trolls already testing narrative.

I predicted, based on propaganda, that Trump/Kremlin opponents would be targeted as Trump/Kremlin operatives. Now happening to Browder.

The same propaganda tactics are being used to smear everyone from HRC to longtime Trump/Kremlin critics like me, @MalcolmNance and others

cozietoesie · 23/10/2017 11:28

Thanks, Pain. A great deal of reading all told. Smile

PerkingFaintly · 23/10/2017 12:22

Sorry, cozie, a bit more for your reading list. I'm re-posting an explanation of why Putin is so afraid of the Magnitsky Act.

Bill Browder's Testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testimony-to-the-senate-judiciary-committee/534864/

Browder states that one reason is that Putin keeps his own ill-gotten gains in the West. And:

"The second reason why Putin reacted so badly to the passage of the Magnitsky Act is that it destroys the promise of impunity he’s given to all of his corrupt officials.

"There are approximately ten thousand officials in Russia working for Putin who are given instructions to kill, torture, kidnap, extort money from people, and seize their property. Before the Magnitsky Act, Putin could guarantee them impunity and this system of illegal wealth accumulation worked smoothly. However, after the passage of the Magnitsky Act, Putin’s guarantee disappeared. The Magnitsky Act created real consequences outside of Russia and this created a real problem for Putin and his system of kleptocracy.

"For these reasons, Putin has stated publicly that it was among his top foreign policy priorities to repeal the Magnitsky Act and to prevent it from spreading to other countries. Since its passage in 2012, the Putin regime has gone after everybody who has been advocating for the Magnitsky Act.
...
"I hope that my story will help you understand the methods of Russian operatives in Washington and how they use U.S. enablers to achieve major foreign policy goals without disclosing those interests."

cozietoesie · 23/10/2017 12:39

Goodness, Perking. No need to apologise. Smile

PerkingFaintly · 23/10/2017 12:40

Oh that Sarah Kendzior link is interesting, thank you Pain. She's looking at the bots retweeting the story trying to link Clinton, Russia and uranium.

I was watching Sessions' Senate testimony last week live on YouTube - about the firing of Comey and the Trump campaign's relationships with Russia - and the posters on the YouTube page were pushing the Clinton story as though their lives depended on it.

AcrossthePond55 · 23/10/2017 12:57

Well, considering the trail of bodies Putin leaves in his wake, they probably do, Perking.

PerkingFaintly · 23/10/2017 13:46

Or at least their wages, Across...

PainInTheEerie · 23/10/2017 14:09

He’s now implying that la David Johnson’s widow is lying.
Via twitter.

Speaking of journalists in Russia

Journalist With Russia's Ekho Moskvy Stabbed, Hospitalized

www.rferl.org/amp/journalist-radio-moskvy-stabbed-hospitalized/28810809.html

Uk news source

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moscow-journalist-stab-neck-tatiana-felgengauer-echo-moskvy-russia-presenter-a8015021.html

Fekko · 23/10/2017 14:23

Way to piss off all the serving miliatary and vets. Bad sad mad move.

TheHeraldOfAndraste · 23/10/2017 14:40

@OhNoSheTwitnt
Every time Trump attacks someone on Twitter they receive hate mail and death threats. Either he doesn't know that or he wants it to happen.

^This is what bothers me most about Trumps attack of Myeshia Johnson. It's a dog whistle for his rabid cultists.

PerkingFaintly · 23/10/2017 14:56

Oh dear, horribly prescient, Across. Not that one exactly needs a crystal ball to predict murder attempts on Russian journalists.

Very glad to hear Tatyana Feldenhauer's injury is described as not life-threatening.

Lweji · 23/10/2017 15:01

It was either a warning, or the next dead agent will be the one who failed...

PainInTheEerie · 23/10/2017 16:11

kobach’s voter “fraud” commission (read:suppression) has even more problems:

Trump Election Commissioner’s Voter Database Is a Ripe Target for Hackers

Kris Kobach calls the program a model for the country. It has major security problems.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/trump-election-commissioners-voter-database-is-a-ripe-target-for-hackers/

cozietoesie · 23/10/2017 18:26

Oh Dear.

cozietoesie · 23/10/2017 20:14

Remind me - has 45 dislclosed his tax returns yet? Smile

Fekko · 23/10/2017 20:15

Didn't he say 'not gonna, you can't make me, my friend putin will make you stop askin', yaaaaaaaaaaa'

cozietoesie · 23/10/2017 20:22

It was just called to mind by the seeming lack of security at the Election Commission.

I guess that the IRS isn’t computerised yet? Smile

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