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Educational fads of the moment

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FuckYouDailyMail · 10/10/2017 11:07

Ex-teacher here and the changes to assessment and streaming at DD's school 'to ensure the school is following the latest research' have brought back memories of the numerous new initiatives I had to adapt to using over the years.

AIBU to ask you to tell me about your favourite and least favourite teaching fads? Which ones were a waste of time and which have proved their worth.

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jay55 · 10/10/2017 14:12

I did GCSEs when exams were out of fashion, half my classes were coursework only. Utter nightmare.

noblegiraffe · 10/10/2017 14:13

Group work. I spent bloody years fretting about how shit I was at group work, you always ended up with kids not learning the stuff or it taking bloody ages, kids slacking off while one kid did all the work, kids mucking around. Turns out it wasn't me, it was group work. Now I'm allowed to stand at the front and tell them what they need to know instead of pretending through some convoluted activity that they can discover it for themselves, then have to tell them it anyway.

I do like assessment for learning. Instead of marking their work, giving them 15 out of 20, they look at the score, turn over the page and start the next topic, we actually look at where they went wrong and use it to help them get better. Triple marking can fuck right off though.

Calmanrose · 10/10/2017 14:15

The curriculum for excellence in Scottish education. A load of woolly nonsense.

Growth mindset.

Restorative practice.

Ionarocks · 10/10/2017 14:16

Haha thinking hats were HUGE when I started training. I remember them being used in almost every lesson I observed and I just couldn't understand why they were so important! Also Bloom's Taxonomy. At one school we had to refer to it casually in every lesson!! Ugh.

Ionarocks · 10/10/2017 14:16

Haha thinking hats were HUGE when I started training. I remember them being used in almost every lesson I observed and I just couldn't understand why they were so important! Also Bloom's Taxonomy. At one school we had to refer to it casually in every lesson!! Ugh.

abbsisspartacus · 10/10/2017 14:19

Constant discussion of feelings I swear in primary my daughter did either geography or history they couldn't do both because of the daily talk about feelings and coping skills and she still can't cope ! She is 17 and sobbed because the dentist wanted to put the monitoring clip on her finger zero chance of a needle 😕

MagicMarkers · 10/10/2017 14:21

Our primary school is obsessed with growth mindsets. As if a teacher would otherwise tell the children that they're too stupid and should just give up.

The deputy head is into being a "rights respecting school" and it's incredibly boring. 90% of assemblies were on this subject for about a year. Luckily she calmed down a bit once they got their grading.

As if a school in London wouldn't respect the right to education, playtime, food, religion, water etc. Our school respecting those rights doesn't help the poor kids in a war zone or poverty stricken country, who aren't getting any of those things.

Witchend · 10/10/2017 14:26

Dc's juniors is really into fads. Frustrating. We'll get called into a meeting under a guise of "afternoon doing fun things with your dc" and find it goes something along the lines of:
1:30 arrive, which is the time they've asked people to arrive.
1:40 be let into the hall.
1:50 children join adults in the hall.
2:00 Teachers do a "joint presentation" on current fad. Presentation I mean in the loosest sense of the word. It's roughly a large number of powerpoint slides which the teachers take turns to read out word for word.
2:30 Enthusiastic governor/pta member adds how brilliant, amazing, fantastic it is and how wonderfully lucky all the dc are to experience it and she just knows we're in for a wonderfully exciting year.
2:40 questions opened to the floor. A couple of questions from people who either fell asleep or weren't listening (no one blames them), followed by a 10 minute monologue from wannabe governor/pta member saying roughly the same as above. (everyone does blame them)
3:00 Children and parents sent off to classrooms to do activity relating to fad.
3:20 Teacher realises that no one is going to be anywhere near finishing and suggests brightly that as we've all obviously realised how wonderful it is they're sure we'll want to take it home to finish.
3:30 Everyone released from school. By this point my eyes have rolled so far back into my head I'm not sure I'll be safe to drive home...
3-6 months later: I mention it to dc who says they haven't heard any mention of it for at least 2 months, and I groan knowing that the new fad will arrive shortly.

Ones I particularly dislike:
Switching classes every year. I'm sure sometimes it's a good thing. I expect some schools do it well most of the time. My experience is that it advantages the popular sociable ones and disadvantages those who struggle socially which is entirely the opposite to what I'd think would be the ideal. Also our school asked the children to name 10 children from their form only. I doubt most children will be bothered about 9-10 on their list. With that number you'd think that it'd be easy to sort. No, there's children every year, and almost always the vulnerable or shy ones who end up with none of their list.
I suggested to the head that his arguments for switching applied equally well to teachers so maybe they should join with a few other schools and switch round each year. It didn't go down brilliantly. In fact, lead balloons go down slower. He didn't have a good response though.

Phonics. Not talking about phonics as a whole, but the current trend for phonics and only phonics mattering. It may be better for some, but there are still some children who learn better by whole recognition, and they are failed if the school isn't able to be flexible enough to allow that.
And as adults people read mostly by whole word, using phonics only if they don't know the word. If yuo dno't beleive me thne how aer yuo raedng thsi?
I've had people tell me in all seriousness that people just read the phonics so quickly as adults they don't realise they're doing it. And that reading by whole word doesn't count as proper reading.

The other fad I don't like, but understand the reasoning is the trying everything. Now my dc at secondary do a different type of game in PE every 6 weeks. That's 12 lessons maximum. Realistically this means that they learn the basics and are perhaps almost at the level where they might manage a bit of a game. For a non-sporty child this is probably good, as I was. However I think for the sporty child who has a chance of actually being good, they don't have the opportunity to play enough to discover they're good and want to carry it further. And if they do want to carry it further then they're reliant on parents paying/transport and there being a club in reasonable distance. So it restricts those without parental support etc.
When I was at school we did hockey/rugby all winter and there would be several people who only played at school who got into the county team, and even some who got further. Someone who showed talent at school could be put forward and accepted in the county sides, and there were then grants etc to help them.

theEagleIsLost · 10/10/2017 14:29

I agree with Group work one.

DD1 been in tears at secondary with it - not in set subjects like maths but in her unset form group where so many just don't want to be there.

When they were younger the time it took to set up fun group work meant one of mine had completely forgotten ideas behind it. Easily distractible and poor short term memory. It's impact maths and phonics understanding to such an extent basically DS learnt the fundamentals at home with us - I think early years were a waste in school for him.

natwebb79 · 10/10/2017 14:32

I was stsrting to wonder if I'd made the right decision to leave teaching after 15 years but reading this has confirmed I'll have no regrets, ha! I'm currently in charge of 'resilience'at my school, which is necessary because the methods we've been forced to use by the government have turned the kids into spoon-fed zombies, poor things. If you raise any of this in a meeting though you're glared at as if you've just pulled a moonie at the caretaker.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 10/10/2017 14:32

Telling children they can’t go past this part of maths or book band this year. My ds will now spend the year, at school, studying what he did last year.
Be another year of little to no progress. Ty NC.

Roomba · 10/10/2017 14:33

This need to keep everyone on the same level. DD already knows inside out all the maths she's going to be taught this year. Apparently, she'll just be made to go over it ad infinitum until next year. hmm

Yes, this! DS wasn't allowed to be given any harder work to do, he could only work on 'Deepening his knowledge' by doing stuff he already knew and had done years before. Then I was asked repeatedly why he wasn't concentrating in class and why he didn't seem to be enjoying the lessons any more!

This nonsense is in many professions though. As a manager in the Telecoms industry, I had to sit through interminable courses on 'Learning Styles' and how to speak to customers depending on their style ('I hear what you're saying Mrs X/I see^ why you're upset Mr Y...). Or having to decide which 'Colour' all my staff were then tailor their coaching and performance reviews depending on whether they were a Red or Green... Then on to the next fad we'd paid consultants millions to train us in a year later!

Areyoufree · 10/10/2017 14:34

Ditto Witchend.

Well, that saved me a lot of writing!

Spikeyball · 10/10/2017 14:38

The individualised learning schemes (like smp 11- 16) that were popular when I started teaching. They didn't work.

Littlewhistle · 10/10/2017 14:42

Calmanrose totally agree about CfE. Stupidly worded Es and Os that mean absolutely nothing but take a whole paragraph to say one thing.

Growth Mindset
Soft skills
GIRFEC is impossible - when you get it right for one child it is at the expense of another child's learning experience
Mindfulness
Outdoor learning - oh yes we'll all be outside in our ponchos in the pishing rain Hmm

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 10/10/2017 14:43

Ironically I don’t mind the forest school though as it is helping with ds’ motor skills.

Witchend · 10/10/2017 14:47

Areyoufree glad to be of service Grin

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Tomorrowillbeachicken · 10/10/2017 14:49

Do the welsh do ‘British values’?

llangennith · 10/10/2017 14:49

Mindfulness. Aaarrgh!😱

5rivers7hills · 10/10/2017 14:54

Fucking group work.

Being told that in the real world at work I’ll have to work with all kinds of people so this is good practice.

No love, never in my working life will I have to work with a whole group of stupid lazy unmotivated and people and have to do the work of 6 people

I work in fincnaial services, there might be difficult personalities but people are generally super bright and motivated. And anyway I’m scenior enough to cut people off my projects if they aren’t motivated

I really don’t get why bright children who want to do well have to do group work with people that don’t give a shit.

LadyinCement · 10/10/2017 15:08

Prizes for all.

Stupid stickers for everything and "star of the week". Within 3 minutes flat all the kids had worked out that everyone got to be the star of the week sooner or later and that a sticker was worthless when 450 of them were handed out every week.

Also non-competitive sports days. A teacher I know some time ago mentioned it was Sports Day the next day. I said something about races and she fixed me with a steely gaze and said, "We don't have races . There are no winners and losers. The children participate in modules ". Participate in modules! Now, I am a classic always picked last person and general clot, but I can feel sympathy for the poor kids who are good at PE and sport but are denied the chance to run a race in case they win.

reetgood · 10/10/2017 15:16

@roomba @tomorrowwillbeachicken that's a long standing fad. I was at school 30 odd years ago and spent a proportion of my primary school years being bored to tears because of this. The joy when I got to free read or the teacher just set me a project to shut me up.

I disagree re group work though. I have had some incredibly irritating group experiences but it means I know what works, what doesn't, and how to move stuff on (ok, let's try it approach/ sidelining the people who want to disrupt)

PurpleCrowbar · 10/10/2017 15:25

I'm in Forn Parts & every time the UK Ed Sec sneezes, we catch the cold two years later.

Was great for my first two years; I was the Department smartass on everything SLT dumped on us, because I'd been there bought the t-shirt already.

So I was able to bounce up & down enthusiastically in staff meetings then go back to Department & pull all the necessary resources, paperwork etc off my trustworthy USB stick.

We'd then wave all this shit around ostentatiously in observed lessons until SLT a) decided we were an exemplary department & b) moved on to the next lot of bollocks.

Sadly I've now been out of the UK for 3 years, so am having to actually get my head around whatever crap was the Next Big Thing in 2015.

Kitsandkids · 10/10/2017 16:05

I definitely agree about non competitive sports days. What's the point? At my boys' old school they went to different stations on the field in their classes and did some sort of activity in relay style. So no one won or lost, you just started once the person in front had finished. Parents were invited and I had one child in Reception and one in Year 1. Only you couldn't watch both - you had to dash between each one and inevitably miss some of their turns. The weekly newsletter then announced the scores for each of the school teams. Eh? How they worked them out when there were no winners is beyond me! I much prefer the way their current school does things - proper races with winners! My two have never won but still enjoy the day. And, this summer, a little boy who's now gone to special school as he has ASD and is very behind academically, won nearly all his races. I was so pleased that he had a chance to shine.

I hate all the unnecessary grammar in primary. Fine if the children are already good readers and writers and need to be extended, but my two are not. My nine year old still often misses words out when writing sentences and forgets full stops and capital letters. I'm sure if he was allowed to focus on writing a full, clear sentence he would be further on than he is but instead he has to struggle through grammatical exercises that he then soon forgets anyway - just because they're on the curriculum for his year group.

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