Parent and child parking spaces closer than disabled parking

[FrustratedTeddyLamp]

AIBU to think this is wrong at my local Morrison’s? Parent and child directly in front of the door to the shop, the disabled spaces are to the side and I Would estimate the furthest ones are 3-5 times the distance of the parent and child spaces to the door of the shop.

Also AIBU to think it would be safer for the children not to have to cross the “ road” where the cars drive past to go along the car park so it would make sense to have them where the disabled parking is that is on the same side as the shop?

I agree that it is well out of order to use disabled spaces when you are not entitled to, but it is also out of order to use p&c when you are not entitled to. The two are not mutually exclusive as people on here seem the feel.

I have been stuck several time unable to get baby in car in normal spaces. Usually due to people in massive 4x4 type cars that park a cm from my small car.

I agree that it is well out of order to use disabled spaces when you are not entitled to, but it is also out of order to use p&c when you are not entitled to.

P and C spaces aren't comparable to blue badge spaces. Are you seriously begrudging disabled people the use of a p and c space if it means they can manage to walk around the shop more easily (if it's closer than the BB spaces) or park in a space they can actually exit their car from? I can see why people are pissed off at people with no need at all using p and c spaces but getting annoyed at people with health problems is pretty low.

Yanbu! Let's turn all the fucking parent places into disabled quite frankly

I have been stuck several time unable to get baby in car in normal spaces. Usually due to people in massive 4x4 type cars that park a cm from my small car.

Or you could just park at the back of the carpark and use your perfectly functioning legs to walk to the door.

There's a city centre Tesco nearish to me where the two lines of disabled bays face each other, and then halfway up change to P&C, with a walkway down the middle. Thought it made really good sense with a walkway for all to use.

I think car parks that have disabled on one side and P&C opposite doesn't help with the perception that both types are 'equal' and just as important as each other. We once parked in a P&C space in a set up like this when all the disabled spaces were full. Two women tapped the window to challenge one of the passengers who had stayed in the car and a few minutes later were still faffing at the front of car loudly discussing how the spaces were for parents not disabled people and pointedly looking at the blue badge on the screen.

Aldi and Lidl are the worst offenders for both having more P&C spaces than disabled spaces, and putting the P&C closer, IME.

So overall a pretty depressing attitude towards disabled people and their difficulties.

but it is also out of order to use p&c when you are not entitled to. The two are not mutually exclusive as people on here seem the feel.

Which law are people entitled to use P&C spaces under?

Stop comparing BB spaces with P&C spaces. They are NOT the same!

The best solution I've seen (can't remember where) was to have legal BB spaces, and then P&C spaces which were clearly marked as 'For BB holders and people with young children only'. Absolutely think that disabled people should be welcome to use the P&C spaces if all the BB spaces are full and the P&C spaces are close to the entrance and/or bigger (so making it easier to use crutches/walker/wheelchair).

That said, I've often wished that the P&C spaces at our local Lidl were further away from the entrance, as I like to use them for the extra space and don't care about walking a bit to get to the shop, but their proximity to the entrance just means that people who want a close space take them regardless and then there's none left when I want one!

The best solution I've seen (can't remember where) was to have legal BB spaces, and then P&C spaces which were clearly marked as 'For BB holders and people with young children only'. Absolutely think that disabled people should be welcome to use the P&C spaces if all the BB spaces are full and the P&C spaces are close to the entrance and/or bigger (so making it easier to use crutches/walker/wheelchair).

I don't see why they need to spell it out. Quite simply, anyone who thinks that someone with a disabled badge shouldn't park in them is nothing but frankly, an arsehole.

midnite Yes, but clearly from this thread alone some people don't see it that way! Spelling it out means that the arseholes have a much harder time giving people hassle for parking in a P&C space, because it's there in black and white that the shop is happy for them to park there. If that means fewer BB holders having to deal with unpleasantness (or possibly not parking there because they're not sure if it's allowed or not) then I'm all for it.

I can't describe adequately how incredibly different it is walking ( with huge difficulty) to the store entrance and then getting a trolley and pushing it around the store - it is utter bliss, no danger of falling over, being able to stand( using the trolley for support) whilst I peruse the shelves. I can't use shops that don't have trollies but when they do, I spend a lot of money btw.

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Why are these threads always disabled vs p&c top trumps when they should be p&c & disabled united against lazy fuckwits who can't be bothered walking an extra 10 ft.

You need extra space/to be closer when you have a disability AND when you have a small child particularly a baby in a car seat.

Guessing why, either

A) Morrison's perceived some reason the disabled spaces should be adjacent to the store and not across the driving lane. Being able to hoist a wheelchair out of the boot directly onto a pavement not into a road, perhaps.

or

B) Inertia. The disabled spaces came first and the P&C ones were put in later. Repainting the disabled would cost them shareholder profits.

Also, agree with Snugglywithmycat17 . American car parks often have two lines between each space, giving a small buffer for opening doors. (They also have bigger spaces in general). British car parks seem to squeeze the spaces as small as they can get away with to cram more in. (And the cynical part of me notes that the 'car park management company' makes money by issuing charges for having a wheel over the line; smaller spaces, harder to park in, more of those charges.)

PS: Not that those 'reasons' make it right, just that they might explain why Morrisons did it that way.

Which is why, when I had a car and blue badge, if that was the case in the supermarket car park I was visiting, I would, without hesitation, part in a P&c space.

Sorry, I really don't think having a child with you at a supermarket is comparable to not being able to walk without a walking frame and being in pain. Thankfully we now have supermarket deliveries.

Disabled places should always be closest but it may be that the only accessible way in is closest to those spaces (e.g. Ramp walkway). I doubt it though.

Also people need to get a grip about p&c spaces. I have twins so for the past year have needed to get car seats out of both sides. 99% of the places we've parked don't have them and we have managed. It's a squeeze but possible.

Blue badge spaces are sacrosanct. P&C spaces should be available to both groups. Anyone who uses a space that isn't meant for them is an arsehole.

Ideally P&C spaces should be moved further away so people don't misuse them. They are only needed because spaces in supermarket car parks are so narrow. There are plenty of places where they aren't needed but nearly always are at a supermarket.

You need extra space/to be closer when you have a disability AND when you have a small child particularly a baby in a car seat.

Our local soft play has a car park that holds ten cars. No P&C spaces. Very tight. Yet somehow no one struggles to get their DCs out the cars there.

It is P&C v BB because people have taken it upon themselves to self police this thing that isn't even a law. I read a vile thing on facebook a few weeks back where a woman was gloating about sticking a dirty used nappy under someone's carhandle who'd parked in a P&C space. That's fucking vile and people who use BB spaces usually don't tend to like being grouped together with people who behave so appallingly.

When my sciatica is playing up. I can barely walk twenty yards. I dont drive so get lifts everywhere from my dad, my ex or my BIL. My Dad hasn't stepped foot in a supermarket in ten years. If someone gave him hell for sitting in a P&C space whilst waiting for me I'd be doing time by the time I'd finished with them.

Think there needs to be more clarity on who p&c spaces are for - I'm pregnant with a toddler and find it irritating when the p&c spaces are full, but then you see a parent with a 10 or 11 year old that's used a p&c space.

Surely by the time your youngest is maybe 7 you don't need p&c spaces anymore?

cluelessnewmum why? My DS is 8 and has ASD and ADHD (I dont have a BB for him) and I need to keep him safe. He is a bolter and has no sense or awareness of danger. Using the P&C spaces means I can keep him safe.

He will still be like this when he is a strapping 11yo.

When dd was a baby I lived in a regional area of a country that had no P+C spaces.
I survived. I also had quite a sizeable car (estate car). Sure, P+C are nicer to have but not a necessity.
As for "oh but if you can walk that far just park a bit further away" my sister has a blue badge for difficulty walking long distances (has to stop 8 or more times for a rest on a mile walk) but also because she's incontinent. Why should see piss herself rather than use a P+C space if they're closer?

I'm always seriously tempted when home to use parent and child parking even without DD in the car. Because entitled twats, I don't though, because I know they are handy to some people (who aren't entitled twats about it)

If I'm taking DGM shopping with toddler DS I end up using P&C over BB because they're generally closer so easier for everybody and often slightly undercover if it's raining. I don't really understand why.

I pick her up regularly from a weekly appt though and the comments I've had getting out the car in a blue badge space are awful - I had a guy draw alongside me to block me in and shout at me. I'm not explaining myself to a stranger ffs. He did eventually skulk away when I went in to collect DGM and saw that I had to physically assist her the 5 metres to the car because as a BB holder she can barely walk somedays. The self policing of BB and similarly P&C spaces is out of control. I wish that's all I had to worry about.

They need to stop putting P&C and Disabled spaces as the closest to the entrance simply to stop them being abused. Having appropriate trolled stored by them would be ingenious too.

Best of all - just make the standard space wider so getting P&C place not as vital anyway!!!

I had a guy draw alongside me to block me in and shout at me. I'm not explaining myself to a stranger ffs

that's horrible isn't it. We had this once. All the other spaces were empty but he parked up right alongside to block the passenger side in grumbling about it being a company car park.

It wasn't. It was a row of shops that serve both the workers and the customers. He was just waving his willy around.

We ignored him.